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<0> I feel good holding my breath so far
<0> but im a litle woozy
<1> we solved this ourselves for our current project, providing the functionality of transparently accessing proxies, bringing up login dialogs, etc. to delphi/c, our own vm and java. it took quite a while to figure out the problems, and how to work around them.
<0> mbe i shold ha eten brekfats
<0> hhlp
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<1> the number and severity of proxy related problems was pretty unnerving.
<1> makes you wonder wether that rules out java for enterprise network desktop apps that need to do some internet accesses.
<1> well, makes *me* wonder, not *you*.
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<1> joeo: are you holding your breath for sun to fix something? :)
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<1> i read an article at sun's site about changes in mustang, they seem to finally get to some bugs filed in 1997 :)
<1> possibly too later for people like slava.
<1> -r
<2> slava?
<3> slava pestov of jedit?
<0> yeah
<0> I mean, uh...
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<1> wlfshmn: slava pestov, who gave up on sun for their slow arseness about input related bugs, among others.
<3> yeah, he wrote his language in the end
<0> apparently my ghost is typing.
<2> Clackwell: ah, a personality I wasn not familiar with
<1> the jpan system could detect conflicts based on the meta information of jars (if specified at all) and provide warnings, that's the best shot at it, i guess.
<3> also RIFE seems to have a nice StringUtils cl***
<0> yep
<3> with BBCode support non the less
<4> how to make it so that a function returns a reference to an instance of a cl*** ?
<5> Fu5: No homework.
<4> something like c variable pointers
<4> i'm only trying to see if you can do dynamic programming in java
<5> They're *methods*, not functions. And *all* reference vars return refeences to cl*** instances (or null).
<5> Well, read the fine manual. I suggest the Tutorial.
<5> Time to clean out the joinbots again, I see.
<5> Let's see...who looks suspicious...
<0> re MaggieL
<0> I've got to find the invoice address
<5> G'Morning. :-)
<5> OK, no rush.
<6> ??
<5> Zanmato: Just looking for a joinbot. Probably not you.
<6> ohh
<6> ok
<6> hehe
<4> me i think java methods are functions, since they have parameters and return values
<5> I think you're wrong.
<5> Guess who wins...
<4> how do you know i'm wrong ?
<5> Because I know what I'm talking about. And you don't.
<4> and how do you know that ?
<5> Erm...well..let's see.
<5> 35 years of programming expereince? Or how about the Sun Java Certification?
<5> Maybe you should go back to #flash.
<4> how does that make it so that java methods can't be regarded as functions from a mathematical point of view?
<5> If you don't want to use proper nomenclature, you're going to have serious problems here.
<5> Do you know the difference between a method and a function?
<4> no, please explain
<5> No, please RTFM.
<4> i mean, i'm not sure
<5> I mean "No, please RTFM".
<4> i think a method is a cl*** member which never returns values and it only performs operatios on the cl*** ?
<4> what specific manual should i read on what specific topic ?
<5> Well, you think wrong. Again.
<5> The Java Tutorial. At the Sun Java site. See the FAQ referred to in the topoic for much useful information.
<5> "I'm totally posessed of my sense of self-importance and entitlement. Your failure to provide free personal tutoring is vexing."
<5> "Boy, Java ****s."
<0> heh
<5> Probably writing an article for "The Flash Professionals Journal" entitled "Why you can't do dynamic programming in Java". :-)
<0> hahaha
<5> Summary: "There's no eval() fuunction."
<0> I doubt it
<4> so far i wasn't able to find something related to methods here http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/java/
<5> Well, that's most likely because you seem to be a moron.
<0> Fu5: I'm pretty sure you can.
<0> Since Java can't do, like, anything without methods. :)
<5> joeo: I wouldn't go that far.
<5> It may be there, but are you willing to ***ert he can find it?
<5> So far the evidence is far from convincing. :-)
<1> Fu5: TUTINDEX Quickly locate information about your topic of interest in the *big* tutorial index: http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/reallybigindex.html
<5> Clackwell: Ssssh...you are giving away "Secrets Of The Java Professionals".
<5> "Secret #2547683: Use the tutorial index"
<4> there is nothing i found so far in the tutorial which is relevant to "what is the diference between functions and methods"
<5> There is a description of what a method is.
<4> even though i have read the page dealing with methods
<0> Fu5: java doesn't have functions :)
<0> for java, everything is a method
<0> EOT
<4> just a moment
<5> Well, not *every*thing is a method. :-)
<5> The things that most resemble functions are in fact methods though.
<5> I'd say Fu% is very much in need of an understanding of what a method is. But he seems to be obsessed with proving that he isn't wrong calling them "functions".
<7> the new @interface are not methods :)
<4> what i want to know is why a function is fundamentally different from a method in computer programming
<4> and why does the java paradigm calls them methods
<5> Well, I suggest you gain an understanding of each, and then compare them.
<4> *call
<4> ok
<5> Smells more and more like homeowrk with each p***ing minute.
<5> "homework"
<4> well i am at home, and i am working, so it must be some form of homework i'm doing :)
<1> this leads nowhere, waste of time.
<4> indeed, i agree to end the discussion
<1> Fu5: methods are functions which belong to a cl*** and which are either cl*** or instance members. functions are free dangling in some people's understanding, not belonging to a cl*** or a module.
<1> MaggieL: bah, weak :)
<1> Fu5: in java call them methods, move on soldier.
<4> got it, okay :D
<5> Fu5: So, do you now know what a method is?
<5> Since your original question was "how to make it so that a function returns a reference to an instance of a cl*** ?"
<0> heh
<4> to answer your question, yes, my understanding of java has improved, thank you
<5> Have you at least learnsed something after the point at which you siad "i think a method is a cl*** member which never returns values and it only performs operatios on the cl*** "?
<5> Because both of those ***ertions are completely mistaken.
<1> lead, rather
<5> Being here in the channel is not the same thing as being paid to teach.
<1> teach=corner and have fun with them ;)
<5> And I did answer his question, and pointed him at the reference.
<8> You can't beat them over the head with a steel pipe over IRC, it's true. It has it's weak points.
<5> Instead he chose to argue with me about it.
<1> <nod>
<5> Then claimed the reference didn't answer his question.
<8> He probably didn't even fully understand his whole problem anyway.
<5> Clackwell: Didn't he claim not to be a student?
<5> dwork: I was leading him towards understanding of "his whole problem".
<8> I know
<0> what, that he was clueless?
<8> But you can't really put any sense into someone who's not willing.
<5> In my expereince my style often leads the clueless to cluefullness. Those on who it does not work fall out of the process fairly early on.
<5> "on whom" rather
<8> Agreed.
<5> "Niceness" is neither required nor productive...it often induces the lame to persist in their lameness.
<8> But the kind of people who'd be the most receptive and would benefit from it the most is also the kind of people who'd go to the written material before bothering random strangers on IRC.
<8> It's just a catch 22.
<5> You're saying "those who would benefit the most are those who don't need it"? Sounds odd. :-)
<8> No, they need it, but they aren't likely to come on IRC to ask.
<5> So they're not part of the issue.
<8> Yep.
<8> My point is that most people who come here don't want to learn how to learn themselves, but rather want a quick fix.
<5> The sheep and goats to be sorted here are those who present in-channel.
<8> As opposed to the other kind of person.
<5> Well, quick-fixes for the lazy aren't what the channel is for.
<5> A message best delivered by demonstration.
<8> I fully agree with it, I wasn't complaining.
<5> Because th elazy seeking quick fixes will importuyne you endlessly about how it would be so easy for you to give them what they want, and how mean and seflish you are for not doing so.
<8> Yeah, they are quick to blame you for their shortcomings.
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