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<0> :P <1> yeah, i tell the client i need 2 weeks to migrate my mind from delphi to java <2> strange I didn't hear the spurs clinking <0> "migrating" from Delphi to Java might take you an awfull longer time. While there are things in which they're somewhat similiar there is also quite a big difference here and there. <3> nah <3> they are very much similar <0> Rob_Uknow: hmm, I dunno. While the syntax and such may look similiar (a bit like C#) I think the whole approach differs. <3> I've done delphi and java development <4> delphi...we have a ****wit at work who lost our delphi 7 cd. and on top of that borland was quite capable of sending us delphi 8 cds as the result of a misunderstanding, and are unable to send us a delphi 7 pro cd - because they do not have them in stock any longer. <2> Lion-O it depends on ability and on previous other knowledge, we no nothing of those, so can't say how long it will take freemand. But to take a contract in a field you don't yet know is unprofessional in my oppinion and is one of the reasons the industry gets such a bad name <4> so much for delphi...i guess it's a good thing borland sets it free, as long as it doesn't day on the way out into relative freedom. <0> calchas: aye. Hence the 'might take longer'. The reason why I think it'll take longer than this is the whole approach being taken. <2> also depends on the project <0> calchas: very true. <2> freemand out of curiosity what is the project?
<1> mmmm, it's secret but i can tell you its about interfacing with smart card (just about calling activex) from java <3> oh dear <3> then you're doomed <1> i've done many activex connection with delphi/vb and other, but not with java <3> you might want to checkout the java combridge (jacob) project <4> see integration section at faq. <3> ibm also offers a way to call activex from java <1> is that about activex interfacing? <4> esp. that project for delphi-vs-jni <5> activex is world's most prominent Security Hole <5> nobody can ever beat it <5> go Billie <1> yeah, but the hardware only give activex method for interfacing <0> so why chose Java I wonder? <1> coz client know that activex is unsecure, so they hire us to secure it with java, at least more secore than not at all <4> securing activex with java, oh lawdee... <0> I don't think I want to try and grasp that logic :P <4> and here you are, java and security expert, asking the other experts on irc about it... <0> lol <4> erh, end <1> any sugestion? what else, we cannot make SDK from the hardware <5> LOOL <3> what is he saying? <4> freemand: what's the smartcard for? <1> reading some card to identify their consument <5> freemand: jni <-> C <-> activex. <1> all SDK from the hardware are in activex style, but they give sample code within java, our client prefer java than delphi <4> freemand: to do what? we did something like that and found that instead of using the whole browser nonsense we could have a local application do the user verification and then open a secure web browser connection to whatever place we wanted. my point is: without knowing more about this project, we are not likely to be able to provide good suggestions which go beyond your self chosen blinders. <5> so use sample code <1> Clackwell my i pv u? <4> nope <1> :( <4> freemand: come back tomorrow with your boss and we'll have a serious talk. <0> rofl <1> heehhe, i'm retired right? <2> how would we know <1> Clackwell, ever done this http://java.sun.com/products/javacard/faq.html <5> LOVE POEM <5> SUSIE LEE DONE FELL IN LOVE; <5> SHE PLANNED TO MARRY JOE <5> SHE WAS SO HAPPY 'BOUT IT ALL <5> SHE TOLD HER PAPPY SO. <5> PAPPY TOLD HER, SUSIE GAL, <5> YOU'LL HAVE TO FIND ANOTHER. <3> dont' do that <5> I'D JUST AS SOON YO' MA DON'T KNOW, <5> BUT JOE IS YO' HALF BROTHER. <5> SO SUSIE PUT ASIDE HER JOE <1> ? <2> accepted :( <3> as is <4> freemand: no. we ordered stuff from wibu and interfaced with that in a native program. it did the handshaking/login on the remote site, via https, etc. pp. and fed the url into the local web browser. voil secure. <1> hmm, any experience which can share with us about smart card with java? <4> freemand: i don't understand what your problem has to do with javacards to be quite honest. i'd think a security token kind of thing like that from wibu or aladdin would do perhaps. <4> think of your bank cards. are they javacards? very likely no. if they are javacards, are the java features used? very unlikely. just give the user a p***word and his security token and you're set, in such a setting. <1> my client already have license for javacards they lack of programmer, so they contact us to do their project <4> ahahahah
<4> sounds like he got what he deserves with you then. :) <5> ::) <1> i'm blind with java, but we'll try this as our pilot project with java, no matter how secure or functional is it, at first <2> yeee haaawww <2> rope-em and brand-em <0> uh oh, thats my cue to hide ;) <6> salam <7> meow <6> :p <8> i forgot how to get current milli seconds :/ <8> what cl*** do i use <5> System.currentTimeMillis.... <8> ty <7> 3rd result in google.. <8> no <8> not for me at least :( i always type wrong thing <7> I googled for java get current milli seconds <8> yeah but i forgot what the method was called and what the time was... i googled java time and got crap <8> heh i should have googled milli java <7> Hey, it's Java Time! <8> lol.. <3> yay <6> :p <3> you should celebrate each milestone <5> Rob_Uknow: i do:) <5> i even share with you guys:P <7> I sometimes announce Bug Fixed! <3> you make bugs? <7> Yes, and sometimes I fix them too. <5> Rob_Uknow: i really hope to get it to java.net ;) <5> my child... <5> :) <3> I have a project on sourceforge.net <5> impress me:) <9> wolfey: why? <5> jottinger: why what? <5> jottinger: java.net ? <5> or impress thing? <5> :) <3> epesh <9> I think I have five on java.net <5> i have one i havent even submited any code although prototype is done <5> havent had will to clean it up a bit <5> opensource.. means.. everyone sees.. how lousy...you ...are <5> it was RMI layer over postgres... xml structure, gui editing of database structure, then automated editing of records of given table <7> Opensource typically means people don't want to see your source. <5> got best score at Information Systems <7> They only want to read it if it's closed source. <5> rickety: OH? GREAT:) <5> ahh.) <5> rickety: now i see:) <5> Rob_Uknow: you have that bot running? <5> :) <3> it ran here <3> but not anymore as you can see <5> well i thougth znabela was bot <5> :) <10> thanks <9> well, a bot would be smarter <10> i appreciate the attention, but thats as far as it goes <5> ::) <3> tera <11> Rub_uknow :P <3> huhu <5> lol multitasking @ cnn <12> salam <0> A socket (java.net.Socket) can be used for input and output alike, isn't that right? I'm creating one and I receive input but for reasons I cannot grasp at this moment it simply stalls the moment I tried to send out a command (while it should trigger more input). <5> look <5> if you just read, it blocks until it receives data
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