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<0> hi
<1> Hello
<2> ullo ppl
<2> anyone know how to iterate a multi-dimensional array using for-each syntax?
<2> duh nm, sorted it ;x
<3> java does not have multi-dimensional arrays.
<2> sorry, *array of arrays
<4> hello! i want the window who has focus, answer key press unless what widget has the focus (like delphi keyPreview). please, anyone would help to code this? (Eclipse/SWT)
<3> xvatx: wahaha, SOL, baby, SOL
<5> hey guys
<5> I wonder something
<5> we java programmers, at least the ones being pure object developer, tend to use the collection framework each time we have objects to regroup
<5> however, suppose you want to put integers in a collection.. the overhead to use the Integer object and put that in say, in a List, is considerable
<5> and since we now have auto-boxing, I think it will mislead newcomers even more
<5> but my question is.. we tend to use implementation of collection interfaces based on a Hash or Tree (red-black, AVL) when we know we want to lookup without performing a linear search
<5> because a tree runs in O( log(n) ) instead of O( n )



<5> however, I would like to run tests to see at what amount (n) of objects does the hash or tree lookup are really more efficient (in pratice )
<6> you're saying collections are backed by an interative search?
<5> I know that some collegues replaced all their collection implementation by simple arrays and they noticed a significant performance boost
<5> I'm saying that collection implementations, based on a hash table or a tree
<6> the implementation of a collection isn't necessarily trivial even though it looks like an array
<5> runs in O( 1 ) or O( log(n) ) and give the impression, at least in theory, that they runs alot faster to locate, insert, delete objects from them
<5> but that in practice it seems that significant overhead is observed compared to simple linear search ( O(n) ) in arrays
<5> well, for the Set interface, we have HashSet (backed up by a hashtable ( O(1) ), TreeSet (backed up by a TreeMap, which is backed up a Red-Black tree ( O( log(n) ) )
<6> could be. exposing an array may sacrifice portability too.
<5> for the Map interface, we have HashMap and TreeMap (same things)
<6> plus memory performance gains isn't usually a bottleneck in a large application
<5> List, we have ArrayList, backed up an array ( O( n ) ) and LinkedList ( O( n ) )
<5> I wonder how exposing an array may affect portability
<5> I'm exclusively talking about processor performance, not memory performance
<6> serialization for example. if you change the signature of a member variable you have to version the object. wrapping the contents makes it easier.
<5> and, putting bytes in a collection involves using the Byte object
<5> and an object in java have a minimum memory footprint
<5> so you use 8 bits for your info, but x bits for the objet footprint, so even if the memoery usag isn't really an issue, it sounds stupid anyway
<6> your suggestion is interesting, don't get me wrong
<6> most of the performance bottlenecks i see are scale issues and collections are the least of my worries.
<5> I'm just saying that using the collection framework to store everything, as a reflex, may be a bad idea
<5> and that even me, I wasn't using arrays for years, and I recently started back
<5> but for collections of say, 10000 objects, If I have frequent lookup, insert and deletes, I would definitively use a collection framework implementation, like a hash or a tree
<5> but for a collection of 100 elelments, where I would simply perform lookups
<5> I'm not sure a collection implementation would be that faster
<5> and for serialization, I never use java serialization specifically because of this version issue
<5> I use xml serialization, or I write code that serialize myself
<5> but, some collegues replaced their code using stricly collections with arrays
<5> and they noticied a significant performance boost
<6> where do you work?
<5> Convera
<5> why?
<6> you seem to place much value on speed over portability and migration. i'm curious how your products scale.
<5> no
<5> portability I don't agree this is an issue with array
<5> migration, it may because i'm not using interfaces, yhes
<5> but arrays are 100% portable in java
<6> how does your code work with a CORBA ORB?
<5> I'm not using Corba
<5> and when doing remote stuff, I use web services
<5> and web services are portable accross languages (I mean, you dont know what piece of code will call your services)and the only thing you can expose are
<5> primitive types and arrays
<6> web services are usually way slower than CORBA.
<5> in fact, the main reason I started using arrays back is because of web services
<5> but it really depends, I tend to concentrate on how fine-grained are my services
<5> If I send 1000 objects to be treated
<5> and I call a service, the web service impl overhead is not significant
<6> serialization is where you pay the price.
<5> except for serialization / deserialzation, yes..
<5> hum
<6> it adds up quickly if you make the call often
<5> I must admit that
<6> again i'm not disagreeing with you
<5> my code is "web service" compliant (using primitive type, not putting any logic in my business model cl***es, having an empty constructor) etc
<5> but i'm not aware of all the issues on performance when actually writing remote code
<6> i'm just curious about your environment. why you've made these choices. i'd sacrifice some performance for portability and scalability anytime
<5> but really, I don't know, it should be possible to p*** large volume of data
<5> with webservices
<5> by transfering it in raw data (bytes)
<5> like, take the array, serialize it as a byte stream, send it over
<6> it's definitely possible, just expensive.



<5> in a CDATA[], for example
<5> and that shouldn't be expensive
<5> but still
<5> I would too, but I'm still disagreeing that using arrays affects portability
<5> for scalibity, flexibility, extensibility, yes you are right
<5> but not portability
<5> I dont see the point
<6> you're exposing the type
<6> if you want to send something else or change the type the code sees it
<5> yes, but i'm not serialializing with a ObjectInput/OuputStream
<5> but the same thing apply
<5> if you expose the List interface for example
<5> and later you want a Set
<5> or a Map
<6> if you're sending some kind of list, you usually don't need to change the wrapper. you can play with the data underneath.
<6> for example, most entity beans use the Collection interface for this reason.
<5> Collection is ok
<5> to abstract the collection type (list, set, map)
<5> but you usuablly want methods right from the Map or List interface depending on what you do
<5> if you transfer a simple Collection, your code would have to cast anyway and that's not really clean
<5> and personally, if you are talking about EJB 2.x, I really hate this creation
<5> EJB 3.0 is another thing, since most problems have been adressed now
<5> (Gavin King, the founder of hibernate, influenced the spec alot)
<7> I have a JPanel with a null layout, so all the components of that panel have setLocation and setSize. Is there any way have it when I call the JPanel in a JFrame with FLowLayout, that the components of the JPanel maintain there specified null layout parameters?
<7> (any way I CAN* have it)
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<18> ok, thanks.
<19> hi... how do i detect that java is installed in a pc through a batch file?
<19> does anybody knows?
<18> check the errorlevel when exectuting java.exe
<19> what is the error level?
<19> i c.. its 9009
<19> thnx
<19> one more question: can i use gpl liscenced API's to non opensource projects?
<20> !list
<20> can i download porn here?
<21> where can i go ask a few simple java hw questions?
<22> here
<22> you can ask questions
<21> why won't this work: String areaCode; areaCode = nextInt (8); System.out.println(areaCode);
<22> you need to cast the value
<22> areaCode = nextInt(8) + "";
<21> i had nextInt(8) + 1; but that didnt work
<22> no
<22> casting doesnt means +1


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