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<0> hmmm... The nettalk on Java SE6 looks promising. Even planning on implementing dtrace options into Java, thats going to rock IMO.
<1> YEAH!
<1> FUN!
<2> what's dtrace ?
<0> kmh: 'Dynamic Trace', a very big feature in Solaris. It allows you trace applications and the whole system on the fly without much research overhead. Its extremely powerfull.
<2> hmmmm
<0> http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/observability.jsp
<0> and the docs on http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-6223
<2> sounds like commercial
<2> lol indeed
<0> ofcourse, it is. Solaris is free but there are commercial interests. But still, can't put it any other way, I played with it on my servers and it just rocks. So when I saw that they planned on implementing this in Mustang I basicly went like dave-e. This is going to rock.
<2> i wouldn't know better i thought it is microsoft :)
<2> Lion-O : well if you could really it -ok , but the netry info is like a joke, nothing but bubble info
<1> Well, I was being sarcastic.
<2> well solaris is free because they couldn't sell it
<0> kmh: naah
<2> you bet
<0> kmh: it sold pretty good. But with the free OS's out there this is a better marketing strategy.
<0> Don't forget that their main business is hardware, not software.
<2> Lion-O : i very much doubt that
<2> afaik it did not sell at all
<0> kmh: don't think common market, think Enterprise.
<2> they only sold it with there workstation/boxes where it kinda was required
<2> Lion-O : i'm not thinking any specific market
<2> and for the enterprise it is even worse
<0> Solaris has been 'free' from version 7 or so, back then they sold mediakits. From 9 and up it has been further opened up.
<2> well that is the thing, there was no market for another (high priced) unix flavoured system
<2> so they give it way for free hoping to sell additional stuff along with it
<2> otherwise they would have to dump it
<0> Their main line of business is still hardware. Where the software is concerned the main core will be service and support.
<2> yes they are going down, they hardware isn't really selling great anymore either
<0> But if you look at the Solaris stats today you'll see that besides many downloads also many mediakits are ordered 8) it still sells.
<0> kmh: hmm... A main reason for that is that if you buy Sun hardware is stays running. Its not like MS where you enforce change every few years.
<2> Lion-O : haha
<0> I'm not kidding.
<2> Lion-O : experiences differ, but the sun hardware i had to work was the last crap
<2> i know about alleged reliability and blabla
<0> If you bought, say, a low-end workstation like a Blade 100 you can still run their latest OS on it. Many companies I sell my services for (*nix related) use Sun hardware. It simply works, and keeps working.
<2> but all the machines i worked on where **** and imho if you look server sells these days sun goes nowhere
<2> their share is constantly dropping
<0> Well, lets agree to strongly disagree there :P
<0> their share is/was dropping. To a point before the internet hype. The boom from a few years ago, many people ignore that.
<2> Lion-O : the sun server i had to use for hosting was slower than my high end laptop back in 2001
<2> i didn't believe it before i saw it myself
<0> kmh: then it wasn't properly tuned. Solaris, prior to 10, isn't the OS you dump on a box and expect it to run.
<0> not to its full extend anyway.
<2> Lion-O : well that's the next thing if the default setting is outperfomed by laptop because it is not tuned i can only smirk
<2> and imho it doesn't speak well for the whole system
<0> I can imagine. But if you'd ever see a fully tuned box you'd think different.
<2> Lion-O : maybe maybe not
<0> Heck, this is the same deal where Window users look at Linux and go "Gee, if I need to configure the gui manually I can only laugh".
<0> Simply use the right tool for the right job.
<2> but the fact that there are apparently so many untuned system in the business speaks for itsself
<0> kmh: not really. You forget reliability. You can throw rocks at Solaris and it "just keeps going".
<2> Lion-O : no it is not
<2> ease of use (and reasonable default settings are essential imho)
<2> and windows is no good at that either
<0> kmh: Hmm, for end user systems I agree. Not server systems, I'd expect an admin to know what he's doing.
<0> There is a big difference in performance if you run, say, a database or filesystem. Or even both (only looking at disk operations now).
<2> Lion-O : there arwe plenty of other sysrem that "keep going", the competition for solaris is not windows so much but the (free) unix flavours
<2> they are eating up suns share
<0> fileSERVER. gee, my typing is going to pieces :)
<0> kmh: I disagree there. They're nice but not as innovating as Sun is right now.
<2> not that they are all great, but they were free to begin with (and that's imho why solaris became free as wel)
<2> Lion-O : it's matter of taste, but i'm somehow rather wary towards sun's "innovations"
<0> Ofcourse, I do agree that we'll have to see where this is all going first. I'm a little sceptical there as well. But when I look at things like zfs, dtrace, containers and compare that with other OS's then the innovation for this year (officially last year but this year some things are officially released) it would go to Sun for me 8)
<2> lol
<2> well i agree it still might be better than the crappy upcoming vista
<1> Are you copy-pasting from somewhere?
<2> dave-e : lol
<0> dave-e: who me? No way.
<2> Lion-O : working for sun ?:-P
<0> kmh: Nope, no ties with them at all. Apart from my company selling some of their services/products.
<1> No spam in here please.
<0> kmh: I basicly started out on solaris years ago, moved to Linux for all my stuff and after checking out their 10 release and added up to my disliking the linux 2.6.x kernel tree (or rather, the development) I moved over.
<2> dave-e : learn to appreciate the wonderful flavours of an english breakfast
<0> kmh: So, for server usages its my favorite. Everything else is Linux based for me 8) Thats why I'm pretty excited about dtrace hooked into Java.
<2> Lion-O : actually i never cared much for the OS, i just used whatever was given, but i remember the times working with sun machines where usually a pain
<2> -h
<2> for instance early java development
<2> in the beginning we had only one PC and the rest were sun workstations, but everybody tried to use the shared PC whenever it was available
<0> hmm :)
<2> the PC was simply 2-3 times faster
<0> kmh: I find it interesting how different people have totally different experiences 8) it happens, I've heard plenty of horror stories with certain servers and hardware (heck, its how I run a business) 8)
<1> Clackwell we need calchas back :)
<2> that is for exceuting java code, compiling etc
<3> dave-e: Know of a JSP/Servlet webapp for image galleries, kinda like gallery?
<3> dave-e: database backend for metadata = good, database independance = necessary
<1> Sorry, I know bugger all about Java
<1> :)
<0> rhowe: hmm, I actually searched for something like that a few months ago. Conclusion is that hardly anything beats php gallery.
<3> Lion-O: Yeah, it's irritating :)
<3> dave-e: Got Matt here, btw
<3> dave-e: He's freeloading off me at the moment
<1> Nothing changes then
<1> So I guess you've got no food in the house now?
<1> :)
<3> He's tidying my lounge at the moment
<3> well, nothing that isn't frozen
<3> or a sauce
<1> He's like a locust.
<3> or raw
<3> tell me about it
<4> w00t.. success
<3> he just doubled my weekly shop, and that's double what I spend when the wife's in town
<5> Lion-O: does cups support windows shared printers?
<5> or is smb pretty much the only way to go for that nowadays?
<0> jottinger: no idea, I don't use cups. Never really liked it.
<5> bah, cups isn't quite what I'm looking for anyway
<5> dadgummit
<0> jottinger: In fact, to think of it, I never had to use a Window shared printer from a Unix(-like) OS. Its all been the other way around for me, and I usually accomplish that with lpr or lprng together with samba.
<5> Lion-O: well, I have a set of unix-running portables, so hooking the printers up to them works against me
<4> meh.. smartsvn really does **** m***ivly on large projects..
<4> jottinger: if you want an smb printer, I believe you need to setup samba which fronts for cups. if you want to use cups directly, i suppose IPP should work
<4> jottinger: Can't say I do a lot of printing though
<5> hrm
<5> I've been really trying to resist setting up samba
<0> jottinger: its not that bad.. not that good either IMO but heck, thats just me nitpicking. The whole window networking concept is kinda scewy if you ask me.
<5> I just want to freakin' print from my unixen
<4> yeah.. thats what you get for wanting to do things the windows way I suppose
<0> :)
<4> wait, are you just a client to this printer?
<4> in that case you probably only need smbclient, not the whole samba server
<5> yeah, I know
<5> I just dislike samba
<5> ancient hatred, etc
<4> yeah, I know the feeling. I have a similar irrational hatered of Qt ;)
<5> that's not irrational
<5> that's wisdom, found in surprising places
<1> Hey there jottinger, how's things?
<1> Not seen you on in a while
<4> hehe, well, it used to be a disslike of licenses, but when they sort of fixed the licensing issues, I never stopped disliking it ,)
<4> it's hard to get the zealotry genes to stop working once activated
<6> is it possible to create a local alias name for a cl***?
<6> for example, itext defines a List cl*** which collides with the collection List interface
<6> can i define an alias/synonym so that I don't have to fully qualify one of them?
<4> no. you get to use the full cl*** name of one of them to avoid the collision
<4> ie, insted of calling the interface List, call it by it's full name, java.util.List
<6> i know what you mean, hoped there was a way out
<6> (it is possible in delphi where you can do something like "cl*** MyList = List")
<4> Not one that I'm aware of atleast, aside from not naming your cl***es so generically ;)
<6> i didnt name either of them ;)
<6> oh, and does anyone know how to force xjc (the jaxb RI compiler) to create separate cl***es even for elements which are based on complex type and do not extend this type...
<6> i want to distinguish 3 xml elements which are all based on the same complex type, but xjc maps all of them to the same cl***
<6> i have an instance of List<ListItem> and cannot p*** it to a method which expects a List
<6> how can i fix this so that this method still takes untyped lists? (either with a cast or by changing the method param)
<0> Hoi Clackwell
<7> ok -- easy question. I have a cl*** that just hold data in strings. I want to cl*** to be seen by all other cl***es (scope) and I am clueless on how to do that. Any suggestions?
<8> Can someone help me with a trust manager problem?
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