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<0> is this it http://pastebin.com/639829
<1> linbox: "debian is a linux distribution, to install Java properly see http://serios.net/content/debian/java/with-java-package.php "
<1> linbox: if that fails, you can always do this: http://javafaq.mine.nu/lookup?67
<2> ah
<2> does HelloWorld.jar *have* a main cl***?
<2> the jarnal error is a failure to understand what you're doing
<1> linbox: please pastebin.com the output of this command: java -version
<3> smsie: probably not. When I tried to run my first HelloWorld all I got were gnu related exception errors.
<0> smsie: yes i know hence lots of different trys
<4> Clackwell: i guess he didn't have access to the box at the moment
<0> doh
<1> oh, he still hasn't?
<1> he had my hopes up when he mentioned that pastebin post.
<1> how demotivating.
<4> he just had a prepared text file
<4> :/
<0> i dont have internet on my linux box so i am here in cafe
<2> get the Sun JDK, seriosuly
<2> and install the java-package package
<0> smsie: but if its a simple cl***path issue
<0> why wont it work
<3> linbox: no its not.
<5> smsie: it isn't :)
<2> linbox: it's not. It's a "your VM is unable to execute jars properly" issue
<3> linbox: the gnu java variant is simply a P.O.S. which isn't compatible with Java.
<5> he has gcj after all? :)
<0> ok
<0> what is it i would like to try to understand
<2> yep
<2> you need to get a better java system
<4> gcj is an incomplete version of the java system
<0> but if openoffice works which comes from sun then why not normat jar files as well
<5> linbox: because gnu ****s at java
<3> I still recall wasting 45 minutes on a (newbie) java program trying to understand why it wouldn't compile. Then I had the presence of mind to copy it to my Blade box (running Solaris) after which it compiled cleanly. Luckily it didn't take me long after that to know what was wrong.
<4> openoffice is bundled with a specialized JRE
<4> it will probably not do anything else than run openoffice
<3> uppe: nah, it will also work cleanly on your regular JRE from Sun.
<0> ok here is my JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.4.2-gcj-4.0-1.4.2.0/jre/
<2> so?
<5> bwahaha
<5> linbox: don't do that
<5> that's stupi
<5> stupid
<2> jet the sun java system
<5> get Java from Sun
<0> so this is NOT capable of running jar files???
<4> jottinger: they don't **** at java. they don't have people enough to contribute on the gcj project
<5> linbox: it's not really java
<2> linbox: it's not fully capable, no
<5> uppe: sadly, that's enough to make them **** at it
<0> ok
<0> ok but sun java is not free is it
<4> jottinger: if you say so. i won't argue
<3> linbox: yes it is.
<2> gcj is not ready for use as a general purpose replacement for sun java
<2> sure it's free
<5> linbox: what does "free" mean to you?
<2> it's even (fairly) Free
<1> linbox: you can use sun java sdk and jre free of charge.
<0> FREEDOM
<1> if that's not free enough for you, go to hell.
<0> touchy
<2> not *very* Free, but free enough for what I need
<1> if you want that level of lunacy, join the freedom fighters at freenode.
<0> granted
<1> lots of open source wankers there.
<5> linbox: erm... what do you mean by "freedom?"
<1> open source zealots, sorry.
<0> round and round we go
<4> ^^
<2> the Sun java license grants you the freedom to do whatever you need
<1> yep, them zealots don't die easy.
<2> what freedeoms do you need that it doesn't grant?
<3> Clackwell: you mean of the "java should be open source, providing the source isn't open source" kind of zealots?
<4> Clackwell: we have a political party in sweden who wanted to cancel the patent laws and stuff like that. all in honor of that everything should be free and accessible
<1> Lion-O: the "either i use a FSF kind of free java, or none at all"
<0> i only came here to gat a jar file to run
<6> Hands up who uses an open source CPU!
<3> Clackwell: ah, so even worse. blech.
<5> linbox: right, and you're using insufficient crap to do it
<1> linbox: installed sun java yet?
<5> rickety: I do :)
<2> linbox: and you know now why it won't
<7> linbox use the sun jre <eom>
<3> rickety: soon, soon... I grabbed the prints for the Sun ultrasparc but I only need to ***emble it :P
<6> linbox: What Java are you using? I'm too lazy to scroll.
<1> hi cal
<7> hi Clackwell
<0> no not yet!!!
<7> hi joe
<0> JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.4.2-gcj-4.0-1.4.2.0/jre/
<5> rickety: gcj
<6> linbox: That's not Java.
<6> Install Java.
<0> ok but should i remove what i have installed first
<7> up to you
<1> linbox: do as the above url about debian-java suggests.
<5> linbox: it's unix, why not just manage your paths
<1> jottinger: that would require arcane knowledge.
<2> apt-get install java-package
<5> good point
<2> man make-jpkg
<0> no internet on linux = no apt-get
<5> why the hell would you use linux sans internet?
<2> in general, it really *is* as easy as "make-jpkg sun-jdk-archive.sh"
<6> linbox: research apt-zip
<2> linbox: apt-proxy
<2> or apt-zip
<6> apt-get doesn't require t'Internet.
<6> What an uneducated arsehole.
<2> buy a DVD set for like $5
<0> im not going to bite at that crap
<7> rickety no need for that language this is a chan for all ages and cultures
<5> yeah, you should stick bad language up your ****hole.
<6> calchas: Ok.
<7> ta
<7> same for you joe
<1> calchas: meet ricky, he's another annoying brit. :)
<6> Clackwell: We met.
<1> haha :)
<6> /nick shutupyou
<2> never enough memory
<2> you'da thought 2G should be plenty, but no, it wants more more more!
<7> what's grabbing it
<7> ms sql srv grabs mine if I let it
<7> not much else does
<2> oracle mainly
<2> and SBYN
<7> that'd do it
<2> but mainly oracle
<2> it's annoying, I've done a POC in mysql instead, it does it almost twice as fast with far lower overhead
<2> but no
<2> "must use oracle"
<5> SBYN? You're using SBYN? You poor bastard
<5> I mean, uh, "you poor fellow"
<2> jottinger: thanks for the sympathy
<7> for some reason your first memory comment made me think back to a convosation yesterday where I explained 'core' store to a guy (he happened to be a db centric chap)
<2> the only real consolation is they pay me, really quite well, to use it :)
<7> bbiab
<2> I keep saying "I can implement this better, more quickly, more efficient, easier to maintain if I don't use SBYN. And you can save the $LOTS you pay for support as well!"
<2> but no, the manglers love it
<2> they had a nice product when it was lisp based
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