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<0> hmm.. like 9.3% more
<0> sorry.. 9.4%
<1> ok
<0> anyways.. gotta go again
<1> Big company ?
<1> (i.e. promotions possible ?)
<0> bigger company.. smaller it-department
<2> how many people ?
<0> not sure really.. something about 400-700 people
<2> ok
<2> mid-size
<0> hehe
<0> anyways.. g'nite guys :-)
<3> too many in my corp by miles
<3> somewhere over 100k now
<3> dilutes profits and productivity
<2> its not split up into smaller 'companies'?
<3> no and what difference would that make
<2> independend sectors
<2> alot
<3> no
<2> each sector could focus on supporting their business best
<3> the right number of people doing the right things is the optimum,
<3> we have divisions, same thing
<2> good management is important
<2> okies
<3> no comment
<2> ofcourse the regular workers do all the hard work
<1> management doesn't look like hard work , but often it is more hard work than the regular effort
<1> However, management can look more interesting.
<1> :D
<2> hm
<2> dunno
<2> if done right perhaps
<1> I prepared work for 80 people doing sailboat maintenance
<2> bust most managers stink at what they are doing
<1> everyone used 1 day (except me , of course)
<1> Instantly , I was accused of "just standing around"
<1> although my voluntary working hours approach 60+
<1> :D
<1> funny.
<2> the hours work don't say anything about your productivity
<3> it's often said that people join good companies but leave bad managers
<3> a lot of insight there
<4> Hi can anyone help me get a good Java compiler that is an alternetive to Java development kit
<5> Circoteatro4: that makes little sense.
<5> how can a compiler (a program) become an alternative to a JDK (package with compiler, libraries, documentation, etc.).
<3> Circoteatro4 in what way do you want improvement, do you mean the compiler or an IDE?
<6> Helloa :)
<6> question:
<3> hi
<6> I have a cl*** and some inner cl***es. for instance, A and A.a, A.b
<3> first question for clarification is why?
<6> I have also another file with cl*** B, and I want in cl*** B to use all those cl***, but I want to refer to them as a and b rather than A.a and B.b
<3> second is A is a silly name what is it really called
<3> why are they inner cl***es
<5> Niver: why not get rid of the inner cl***es?
<3> they shouldn't be
<6> Because there are like 20 of them, small small ones
<6> like 10 lines each.... diffrent kind of tree leaves if you must know...
<3> if they are not for exclusive use in that cl*** they shouldn't be inner
<5> from the tutorials I've read I came to conclude that inner cl***es are in most cases not needed and almost everytime poor design.
<3> Lion-O they have lots of real uses, e.g. in gui event handling
<6> Ok....
<5> Niver: perhaps you should re-evaluate the way you set things up, consider moving some inner cl***es out. If they are small where functionality is concerned I wonder if you wouldn't be able to move them into methods.
<5> calchas: true, but even then there are many ways to overcome them.
<6> Lion-O: Not really.
<3> just because it's avoidable doesn'ty make it a bad idea
<6> I looked it over. I really thought about getting rid of that nesting cl***es thing, but I risk going down with more than 20 files just because of that....
<3> Niver your design is wrong, they need to not be inner cl***es
<5> calchas: Something which I never stated.
<3> that's ok
<3> Lion-O you did, but it's moot on Niver's problem
<6> calchas: So you're explicitly say that a lot of files is probably the better choice?
<4> an
<4> an IDE
<5> "in most cases". "perhaps you should". Its not a bad idea, its simply likely to be avoidable.
<3> Niver what is the appropriate access level, public or package?
<6> I think I can maby stuff it all to a package, but I have to look it through
<3> or protected?
<5> Circoteatro4: well, there are many IDE's for Java available. I guess you could start with checking out both Eclipse and Netbeans. Those are the most commonly known in the field.
<3> Circoteatro4 try jcreator
<6> I think package will do fine, and then I can avoid having too much files in one directory
<4> ok thanx
<6> I'll try
<3> netbeans ****s, and eclipse is not for the new
<5> Circoteatro4: but whatever you do; if you're learning Java then ..... oh well; don't start out with an IDE perse.
<5> calchas: netbeans doesn't ****.
<6> eclipse, i think, is rather friendly.
<3> if you say so
<6> but maby I'm wrong....
<3> it's way over complex for the new
<5> And and IDE can help a newbie out very well, as long as he doesn't overdo it and allow the IDE to do the work for him.
<6> brb
<3> experience from here is that they get into lots of trouble if they jump to far forward to quickly and more trouble if that is in the net beans jbuilder direction
<5> calchas: hmm, that might be quite true.. IMO you should focus on mixing, use an IDE for a while and then go back to a simple text editor or, for example, JBlue (I think its called that way, not sure from mind), just so that you're not allowing the IDE to make you lazy.
<3> do you mean BlueJ ?
<7> hi
<7> people
<5> calchas: thats the one. Yes.
<3> hi
<3> ok, end of thread for me
<5> at least I think.. let me google to be sure.
<7> someone can help me with java
<3> what do you want help with
<7> im new in java
<7> i downloaded the j2sdk
<3> then read thinking in Java, do www.thejavatutorial.com, get the jdk from javasoft.com and the api docs, and away you go
<7> i need a manual or tutorial very easy to learn
<3> see above
<7> ok man
<7> thank a lot
<5> Oxi2: apart from calchas' suggesting I find 'http://java.sun.com' an excellent starting place, presenting many tutorials and documentation.
<3> Lol
<3> where do you thing the tutorial points :)
<7> i was there
<5> calchas: that doesn't get you to things like the java roadmap.
<3> rofl
<5> well, the joke is on you but I really enjoyed that piece of work. Even put it on my IntraNet. Excellent resource when it comes to finding a starting point for certain topics.
<3> you're some piece of work, that's for sure
<7> ok
<7> its great the web site
<7> thank again
<3> IMO especially for the new, a simple plain start is best, after that it's easy for them to find their way
<7> hei
<3> feel free to disagree, I'm sure you will :)
<7> where i can find applications in java
<5> calchas: I don't disagree perse.
<7> client/server
<7> source code to learn
<5> calchas: But the tutorial itself doesn't provide many pointers to other places.
<7> i need to build applications client/server
<3> there are examples of techniques in the tutorial, for client server, j2ee is in scope as well, but you'll want to learn some java language first
<7> i need the source
<7> ok
<3> you'll need to define what application, a lot more
<7> well
<7> with database
<3> then follow the jdbc trail in the tutorial
<3> but you are getting a long way ahead of yourself
<7> ok
<7> [calchas]
<7> where r u from
<3> the net
<3> next question?
<5> riiight.
<3> how odd
<7> so man
<7> i new here
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