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<0> www.google.com
<1> I was hoping I could get someone to hold my hand in C++ of course.
<1> :-)
<2> I recommend the books at http://rudbek.com/books.html
<0> We don't do that, either
<1> Thanks.
<2> koenig & moo
<3> jSabatian, i will hold your hand if you are a hot chick with big boobs
<4> o.o
<3> erm.. manboobs? no
<4> 'he'
<1> Thanks again for the tip.
<3> .NET -> making your apps run as slowly as they did in 1996
<0> You just keep making yourself look silly, WhatAHam
<3> ok
<5> no need...youre doing a great job in just text
<4> vawjrwrk... nice books... not available in sa/za i guess?
<3> .NET ****s. there, i said it.
<5> amazon is available all over the world
<0> WhatAHam is wrong. There, I said it.
<3> pffft
<4> heh
<6> WhatAHam dont u have a cat to pet or somehting ?
<3> hah i didn't realize so many of you were .NET people
<4> >_>
<6> i am neutral i program in what language i am requested not in what i like
<0> .NET isn't a language
<3> no it's a language agnostic framework
<6> yeah platform
<6> usualy when u refer to .NET most of the times u say c#
<0> I don't.
<0> I f'ing hate C#
<6> :))
<6> well i dont
<3> anyway.. this seems like more business-oriented blot crap. bah. i can't think of a good reason why i would ever want to pick .NET as my platform/framework
<0> Of course you can't.
<6> the best reason is ASP.NET
<0> ASP.NET is, by far, the best web technology I've ever used.
<6> i think thats a big plus
<6> it's kinda slow compared to other crap out there but it has it qualities
<0> I certainly haven't found it to be slow.
<6> well compared to PHP i find it slow
<0> PHP is interpreted. ASP.NET is JITted.
<4> just in time?
<6> PHP can be compiled as well
<0> Not to mention the extensive caching support ASPO.NET gives you.
<0> ASP.NET, rather.
<3> i mean, ok .. so a managed C++ cl*** can only inherit from one base cl***.. that's one example of how .NET is annoying
<0> Anyway, it's faster than other technologies I've used.
<6> WhatAHam so ?????
<3> also, what's so great about having your stuff in ILR?
<0> WhatAHam: I also find that annoying. That doesn't make .NET ****.
<6> u can always use unmanaged c++
<3> so far the only really working .NET platform out there *is* microsoft's.. sure there's the gnome one.. but that thing isn't done yet
<0> WhatAHam: Mono has been released for almost a year.
<0> Maybe more. I forget.
<6> mono kinda ****s man
<3> yeah it does ****
<3> that's why i say it's not done
<6> plus it has a lot of //TODO
<6> which pisses me off
<3> also, the whole way you can mix native and platform-neutral code really makes most .net programs, in practice, only run on MS anyway
<0> WhatAHam: Bogus argument.
<0> I can do the same with Java.
<3> i just don't see the point of .NET
<0> That's a function of the programmer, not the platform.
<3> just stick to java if you want taht sort of thing
<3> at least java actually DOES run on more than 1 platform
<3> whereas with mono.. it's a gamble since it's not finished
<0> Again, bogus.
<6> well java is not optimized as ,NET is so ....
<0> I've run binaries between Mono and .NET
<0> Mono isn't trying to implement the MS version of CLS
<0> It's implementing the ECMA spec.
<0> And tacking on some of the MS stuff, like Windows Forms.
<0> The tacked-on stuff *isn't* done, nor as performant.
<6> there's no need
<0> I'd much rather see one.
<3> i am not convinced. but suit yourself.. if you use .NET, and enjoy it, and you think it adds value, more power to ya
<6> there are specs for the VM
<0> And I'm very, very glad that MS submitted the CLS/CLR to ECMA.
<0> WhatAHam: I really don't give a crap if you use .NET, or like it, or hate it. It doesn't matter.
<0> WhatAHam: But I strongly dislike "it ****s" statement with little obvious knowledge of the subject matter.
<0> No matter what the technology.
<3> Solamente, good. i don't give a crap if you use it. glad that's settled.
<0> So, nearly anytime I see "XXX ****s" in here I challenge it.
<3> ah ok.
<3> intercal ****s!
<3> there, defent that!
<6> out of curiosity WhatAHam do u use Win32 or MFC for windows programming ?
<0> WhatAHam ****s. Your serve.
<4> za ****s!
<3> Solamente, pfft
<4> j/k :P
<7> enough ****ing talk... you'll attract JBlitzen
<3> Vaan, i don't use win32 much. try to make my stuff neutral.. been using Qt a lot lately
<4> hahaha
<7> and with that comes peterhu
<3> Solamente, just why are you getting so personal?
<0> If you find that personal, you're pretty insecure.
<3> i never said YOU ****. just .NET. are you .NET?
<6> Qt?
<7> WhatAHam - stupid arguments aren't really respectable, and are usually in poor taste
<3> <0> WhatAHam ****s. Your serve.
<0> I'll use lots of smilies next time.
<0> ;)
<0> :)
<3> if that's not personal, what is?
<0> Happy?
<4> lol
<6> what is Qt ????
<4> bbiab
<3> Vaan: www.trolltech.no
<3> Solamente, no, not happy. just because .NET ****s you don't have to get all offensive. i mean, i accept that it ****s, why can't you?
<3> the sooner you admit it ****s, the sooner you can begin to heal
<7> WhatAHam I don't think I've seen a valid argument for ".net ****s" yet
<0> He doesn't need one. He can just *feel* it.
<0> Besides, Scott McNealy told him so.
<3> it comes from microsoft, it's too big, it makes your **** slower
<7> and you can't come in here spouting wild claims and not back them up with rational factual statements
<4> the force is strong with this one
<0> Nor has he offered a measurement for "slower"
<3> it's nopt really platform agnostic.. just another scheme to entangle us in more MS crap
<7> WhatAHam I **** at the same speed irregardless of whether i'm using .net
<4> rofl!
<0> Code that complies to the CLS specification is platform compliant. You simply don't know what you're talking about.
<3> rdragon, it's not nice to refer to your programs as ****, but i mean you said it, not me.
<0> I mean, platform-independent.
<8> makes yo **** run slo yo
<8> das why
<7> WhatAHam - you can write a non-portable application in just about every language
<4> sup cl0ud, wha yo doin here?
<0> Furthermore, I can *today* write an ASP.NET application that's binary-portable between Apache on Linux and IIS on Windows.
<3> bah .NET is the ****
<0> That is certainly portable.
<8> I idle in here often Cantide
<7> WhatAHam - if it's too big, what features do you propose they take out, and why do you feel it's unnecessary?
<3> Solamente, so what? i can do the same thing in perl
<4> >.<
<6> WhatAHam very interesting this Qt , how large can an exe file can get ?
<4> oh, i've taken that up 2 now cl0ud :P
<0> The "so what" is that it invalidates part of your argument.
<7> WhatAHam - you can write programs with a hex editor too, but who the hell wants to?
<3> vaan: not that large.. certainly not as bloated as .NET ;)
<0> And gives evidence that you're railing against something you really don't know about.
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