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<0> The stuff the installer fetches are kept someplace so the next time i won't have to wait for ~395MB ?>
<0> (that would be the online installation of VC++)
<1> well, generally, you don't install the stuff twice on teh same installation of windows
<0> Yes, i asked such a question, in case i wanted them backed up in a DVD.
<1> not much of a point
<0> To me yes, cause my bandwidth ****s.
<1> how many times do you have to install it?
<0> I got a laptop and 2 more desktops.
<0> I'm fetching w/ 20Kb/s
<0> 25KB/s
<1> I think you'd be better off buying it b ecause you wont be able to use it after november anyway
<0> Ouch
<2> jsaacmk ???
<0> Okay,
<1> it's not going to be free after november 06, right?
<2> I haven't heard one way or the other
<1> hmm
<2> originally I thought they were gonna sell it for US$49 (which still would have been a bargain) but then it became free
<3> Hey, I'm taking a C++ course in high school and it's going slow as ****. Do you guys know of a good book or maybe even training video that will take me through C++ relatively quickly so I can at least practice coding while I'm in the actual cl***room?
<1> I remember being told it was free for a year... but oh well. I'd buy the pro version
<4> Emiran`: "Accelerated C++" by Koenig & Moo
<5> DO WE?!
<2> I recommend the books at http://rudbek.com/books.html
<4> *The* C++ tutorial, as far as we're concerned.
<2> peterhu any comment about the "free for a year for vc2005 express" ?
<3> How about someplace where I can DL an install of Counterstrike so I can play with my cl***mates on a lan? :p
<2> what the hell does that have to do with C++?
<3> I'm just joking
<4> jsaacmk: I think it won't be free for download after a year from the first offer. That doesn't mean you have to stop using it.
<5> that's what i heard, that it will be free to download for a year, and around $49 after that
<1> well that is quite a deal
<3> Have they made any significant changes since Visual Studio 6 as far as C++ programming goes on a beginner level or are the improvements geared toward a more experienced crowd?
<2> don't even THINK about vc++6.0
<3> That's the last one I used
<2> it compile something that is onely vaguely similar to C++
<3> How about 2003?
<3> Or 2005
<2> we were talking about 2005
<2> don't bother w/ 2003 either
<3> Then what do I use?
<3> The computers at school have 6.0 I think
<2> throw it away
<2> it's NOT C++
<3> The books they use talk about Windows 95
<2> throw them away also
<2> MS is dropping support on Window 98 this summer
<3> I'll just burn down the whole school
<2> that's probably "overkill"
<2> but what you use is vc2005 express
<3> It's a school made completely of wicker
<6> bye all nite all
<7> bye
<2> in Pennsylvania?
<8> pa is boring :P
<3> Yeah in PA
<8> then again, so is jersey... not quite as bad though.
<3> And it is boring
<8> you're near scranton?
<3> Not that near
<3> It's just in my host
<8> i think my parents used to own property around there.
<8> heh
<3> My dad was talking about moving to Swizerland the other day
<3> Do you think that's better than PA?
<8> oh jesus yes.
<8> think about it this way.
<8> in america, you have the right to have a gun.
<8> in switzerland, you have the responsibility to have a gun.
<3> Do they have phat pipes there?
<3> Wow, that's awesome
<8> hence the nazis kinda went around them during ww2 :P
<8> and i'm not sure how the smoke situation is over there
<8> i doubt they care if you grow your own.
<3> I don't smoke anything
<8> it's the swiss. word on the street is that they're really laid back and that they hate foreigners.
<8> ...
<8> so by phat pipes you're either refering to automotive exhaust or male genitalia.
<3> Nope
<3> Referring to bandwidht
<8> bandwidth? :P
<8> hahah
<3> Typo, my bad
<8> i guess i spend too much time away from irc.
<8> sorry :P
<3> No, I said it like that as a joke
<3> No one says phat pipes anymore
<8> i know a kid with a 'loud pipes' decal on the back of his cavalier.
<8> well i haven't seen him in the better part of a decade, but still.
<3> I see
<8> the moral of the story?
<8> be glad you're not him.
<8> and on that note, i depart.
<3> I am more interested in what kind of bandwidth I'd have there though. I know someone in Sweden who has 40mbit up and down and pays roughly 100 dollars a month for it.
<3> Peace out NineVolt
<3> Do any of you think it a good use of my time, or anyones time for that matter, to learn ASM?
<2> knowledge is power
<3> It would be useful for debugging and reverse engineering I ***ume
<4> It certainly won't be a waste of time.
<3> Nice, I found a version of CS for LANs, tomorrow in cl*** I will pwn
<9> Evening all.
<10> understanding what your computer does at its lowest levels can only help a programmer
<3> I thought so
<1> now if GDB didn't use motorolla syntax for ***embly dumps
<3> GDB?
<3> Is that some sort of debugger?
<1> gnu debugger
<1> yeah
<3> OK
<3> I thought so
<3> I like SoftICE
<3> I used that for a few days when I was trying to learn how to make trainers for my video games.
<3> Quite powerful, but it ****ed with a lot stuff and I had to get rid of it.
<9> You could also try not being **** at the game.
<1> eh, that ****s
<9> :)
<3> Haha
<1> I wish I could do cool stuff
<1> but I can't. I pretty much ****
<3> I can download trainers for games I **** at, but games I like I would rather mess with and make trainers for them my self.
<3> Besides it was a good learning experience on learning how memory addresses worked and how to deal with DMA
<9> There used to be a cool thing for the Amiga called Action Replay.
<9> Was a great bit of kit
<9> especially for "lifting" the MOD soundtracks and images.
<3> Sort of like Gameshark for PSOne
<9> Never did play with that.
<3> I owned one, and I didn't find out about all the stuff I could do with it until I had already broken and or lost it
<3> Have you guys ever heard of a program called Deep Freeze?
<11> anyone knows of any tutorials explaining the way to easily "thin wrap" C with C++ ?
<11> or has any suggestions?
<7> ?
<7> extern "C"
<11> extern C?
<11> "C"
<12> emiran
<12> yes
<3> uhk[IIDX] any idea how to remove and or crack it?
<12> no
<7> if you declare a function as extern "C" that it'll get called as a plain C function
<12> twe had that at my old uni
<7> so you can link against C libraries
<3> Yeah
<3> It's nice for the IT people
<12> it's really annoying
<3> But I dislike it
<9> Oh Christ, JB is still alive.
<9> :)
<12> emiran: everyone dislike it :P
<3> Haha
<11> Drahflow, if I make a C library, I can easily link C++ programs with that library?
<11> like main.cpp
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