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<0> Off to office
<1> good news
<2> it's a suppository?
<1> you suppose
<2> futurama reference any nerd worth a damn should know
<2> NERD
<1> me != nerd
<2> you = drunk irishman
<3> I figured he'd saved a bunch of money on his car insurance.
<1> heh
<1> i was referring to vawAFKhome
<3> Isn't "drunken Irishman" redundant?
<1> only on fridays
<3> Sort of like "gay fashion designer"
<1> i grew a beard...does that count?
<2> an irish beard?
<1> a pink one
<3> Gay drunken Irishman?
<2> guh
<2> our office is undergoing construction
<2> nooooisey
<1> go home
<2> not a bad idea
<1> fix the curtains :)
<3> NCR's doing the same. They sold the building, then leased back half of it. Everyone's being put into cubicles roughly the size of a coffin.
<1> you sit around upright?
<3> I won't have room to lean back and sprawl lazily in my chair once they move me.
<4> There are 2 empty floors in here
<3> So, back to working from home, because I'm allergic to stupidly designed work spaces.
<4> Want one?
<4> I think one of them has pool tables too
<4> Or maybe it's table tennis, I never bothered going up there
<4> Or maybe it's just an urban legend and the floors don't exist
<1> scoop! new cubicles at NCR : http://www.newscientistspace.com/article/dn8912-for-an-outofthisworld-experience-just-lie-down.html
<3> Yeah, that's about right.
<3> I read that one yesterday.
<1> slashpot to the rescue
<5> my dingeling, my dingeling, who wants to play with my dingeling
<1> frwak
<1> freak
<5> ah I have seem to have found a volunteer!
<1> you saw the new thing on msdn about AX controls ?
<1> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1895907,00.asp
<4> About time
<4> ActiveX ****s, even the documentation
<4> Netscape plugins **** too, but they have no documentation
<4> So it's not that bad, cause the documentation doesn't ****
<4> Since it doesn't exist
<1> the ax dox are a mishmash of bits collected from the back of beermat design sessions
<3> No, that would imply design.
<3> Ever read the stuff on www.relisoft.com about why COM ****s as hard as it does?
<1> after 15 vodkas?
<3> He was there for the "design"
<1> no
<1> i'll stay blissfully ignort thanks all the same
<1> argh
<1> ignorant
<1> my spulink ****s
<1> heh : http://www.relisoft.com/scoop/index.htm
<1> calc 2005e
<6> Nothing found for '2005e'.
<1> calc vs2005e
<6> Nothing found for 'vs2005e'.
<1> calc vs2k5
<6> Nothing found for 'vs2k5'.
<1> **** it
<1> calc vc2005e
<6> vc2005e = Visual C++ 2005 Express (aka VC++ 8). Available for download at - http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/visualc/ . Get the Tools Refresh at http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=afd04ff1-9d16-439a-9a5e-e13eb0341923&displaylang=en
<1> get it yourself
<1> and the psdk while you are at it
<7> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeKD-LWjAKY <-- jebus
<8> [m]aniac, there are more efficient ways of wasting money
<8> but not many :P
<7> fershizzle
<9> how fast is C# compared to c++... i know it is faster then java, but what about c++?
<9> because c# is an interpreted language as is java
<10> no, you don't know
<10> C# is NOT an interpreted language
<11> Does anyone know if using the sockets created using socketpair() I could send a message from one process to more that 1 other processes created with fork()?
<12> I am under the impression that the code for the spambots isn't written very well.
<12> DCC SEND from Maia11 [192.168.0.3 port 1051]: Photos.rar [126kB]
<12> catalinux: I take it you're using socketpair() on Linux. socketpair() creates PF_UNIX sockets. Those aren't broadcast or multicast capable, AFAIK.
<10> I thought you could broad/multi cast just by sending to the "right" address e.g. 192.168.0.255 for a broadcast on the local
<10> multicast has it's own strange set of IP addresses
<12> vawjrwrk: these sockets are not PF_INET sockets.
<10> ok
<10> maybe some year things will get as simple as making a telephone call
<13> The trend is towards difficulty not easiness.
<4> Sockets are probably some of the simplest things in programming
<12> until you start using setsockopt, fcntl and ioctl.
<4> It's still not that bad
<4> The only "difficult" part would be the portability
<4> (with setsockopt/fcntl/ioctl, not with plain basic stuff)
<13> Can't we use the unix socket library wrappers for winsock in Visual C++?
<4> Doesn't have to be VC++, it's part of winsock
<4> It's mostly the same, for basic stuff (send/recv/accept/etc)
<4> Not for ioctl(socket) and such
<4> + if you want to make it optimized, you need OS specific stuff
<4> IO completion ports, etc
<13> Love 'em
<10> Ashe` it _should_ be no more difficult than std::socket somesocket(someipaddress, someopeionalarguments);
<10> I suppose that's what boost::asio is kinda aiming for, it's pretty clear that's what dtilib was
<4> It's not really more difficult than that
<10> it certianly takes more lines of code
<4> Lines of code are not directly related to difficulty
<4> You kind of always wrap the socket in another cl*** anyway
<10> really? you want to read all the research that shows that debugging time is directly proportional to lines of code?
<4> int i, j, k, l, m, n;
<4> or
<4> int i;
<4> int j;
<4> etc
<4> int n;
<4> Oh look, more difficult
<10> the problem with your staement is that it's "YOU kind of always" ...no the idea is that the _library writer_ does it
<4> Even if I had your std::socket I'd wrap it
<4> So it's not like I'd care
<4> You know, in some client cl***, or server cl***
<10> yeah, but you've already learned all the bull**** crap that peiple do
<10> or "have to do"
<14> hey if I have a cl*** Log implementing operator<< and I do: Log() << "some text" << "some other text"; when does the log's destructor get called? Is it after the two operator<<() call?
<10> HotDog that may not be allowed
<14> i thought temporaries hung around until the next sequence point or something..
<10> I'm not sure that temporaries can be modified
<14> hmm you may be right.. after all it makes sense..
<14> what you say..
<10> I'm not _sure_ you'll likely have to test..and then it may be only your current compiler that allows it
<14> i really seem to remember something about temporaries living until the next sequence point
<14> so the above is ok..
<10> you can create a modifyable temporary?
<10> I wasn't questioning when it gets destroyed
<14> oh..
<14> hmm good point
<14> let me see..
<14> i never read anything about temporaries being const
<10> well, if they aren't, then things like (a+b) = 5; would be legal
<14> hmm
<13> You mean they aren't??
<13> No wonder my adder program doesn't work :'(
<14> well i think the language has the concept of lvalue versus rvalue
<10> I'm trying to remote debug part of our product which gets run as SYSTEM on a remote machine anyone have any ideas? the error I'm getting suggests running msvsmon in the "user space" of the process I'm tyring to attach to
<5> Im so so tired vawjr
<5> do my exams
<10> Quantum`` see, you _should_ come over here for a vacation instead of jumping right back into school stuff
<13> vawjrwrk is it running in the SCM?
<13> Your process
<5> vawjrwrk, I will take a long break this summer before the PhD starts
<10> IRR I don't know
<5> going to Israel, and possibly also Boston - so might still visit
<10> k
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