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<0> i don't think in any religion belief means simple intellectual ***ent
<1> "it's about faith"
<1> which, by definition, is irrational
<0> I think it's about faith that leads to action ultimately
<0> if faith changes nothing about your behaviour, there's not much point in having it
<1> it's not the faith that changes behavior the most, it's fear
<0> I think that's the same thing...faith in reprisals == fear
<1> agreed
<0> but in some cases in faith in a reward
<0> e.g. many islamic suicide bombers
<0> (virgins in paradise etc)
<1> unfortunately, they're not intelligent enough to question a system that rewards people over others, and what that says about the nature of god
<1> any way you look at it, god must be a huge ***hole
<1> ***uming he knows what's going on at all
<0> well you have to ask the question: why would the nature of god be anything in particular
<1> if it's not a particular, do you propose a relative?
<0> not sure what you mean
<2> On the 8th day, God made gangbang, and He saw it was good
<2> Talking about that, I'm not behind the corporate proxy right now
<1> if god has no particular meaning, then what is any religion about?
<3> If you're supposed to be in paradise forever then 40 virgins doesn't sound that impressive.
<1> i would agree
<1> even if it's 72
<2> Maybe you can exchange them
<1> or 74
<1> then you just need 1
<1> that constantly changes
<2> You'd rather have 5 sheeps
<2> What if you want more than 1 at a time
<1> good point
<3> Or they become revirginalized?
<0> Religion helps some people feel good I suppose
<0> there is supposed to be a god gene??
<0> _m_: yes they automatically retighten
<1> yep, it's found on chromosome peterhu
<0> peterhu: you'd probably like the programs on religion broadcast by richard dawkins in the UK recently
<1> i'm not familiar with that person
<1> i really should start my own
<1> now if i could get my parlor tricks down, i'd be set
<0> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Dawkins
<1> i wonder if god would let scientologists into heaven
<1> reading that makes me think, yes, i would
<0> he's connected with charles simonyi - that's bad :-)
<1> In January 2006, he presented a two-part Channel 4 documentary called The Root of All Evil? addressing what he sees as the malign influence of organized religion in society. It included excerpts from his meeting and arguing with religious individuals.
<0> yes that's the one
<1> he'd be right
<0> i think the quality wasn't that great, but all the atheists cheered him on
<0> if you can get a membership at uknova you can download the programs
<0> (bittorrent)
<1> surprised he's an atheist
<1> for some reason, i think the agnostic position is a better stance (i'm biased)
<1> Agnosticism is the philosophical view that the truth values of certain claimsparticularly theological claims regarding the existence of a god, gods, or deitiesare unknown, inherently unknowable, or incoherent, and therefore, (some agnostics may go as far to say) irrelevant to life
<1> that's a great synopsis
<1> i'd definitely go that far
<0> well actually he admits in the program that he should really be an agnostic
<0> but then he goes on to say anyone ought to also be agnostic about a teapot in solar orbit
<1> that's not really a good statement, as both are physical and observable occurrences and certainly not inherently unknowable
<1> i would strike god off the list of things an agnostic should be on the fence for, the second they discover a method of observing god
<1> i think i'll be waiting a long time
<4> speaking of religion
<4> I got 2 friends, they're married
<1> those bastards!
<4> The wife comes from a nonreligious family
<4> The husband has not been religous his life, but his dad is a born-again preacher
<0> so what?
<4> His dad was a drug addict and burned his own house down, believing the devil was haunting the place
<0> sounds like a movie plot to me
<4> Anyways, he turned his life around and is now what I consider fundamentalist christian
<4> Anyways, the pair recently got married and the wife is desperately trying to "find christ" to impress his parents
<4> Last time she said something which troubled me
<4> err last time I was there
<4> SHe wanted to repeal Rowe v Wade
<0> what?
<4> as did he...
<4> which is funny because those two had an abortion at 17
<4> I feel like they're both being a hypocrite and she is brainwashing herself
<4> funny eh..
<1> rhot roh
<1> that would be a problem if you cared wtf your father thinks
<4> what's rhot mean?
<1> it's the sound a certain dog would make
<0> well she probably isn't brainwashing herself - if she's desperately trying - she probably never will "find christ"
<0> (no god gene :-))
<4> hehe
<4> It just sickens me that she wants to repeal abortion based on some deeper need to be accepted by her in-laws
<4> ..which certainly aren't perfect people either (re: burning down your own house, violent tendencies, etc)
<5> sounds like they're all nuts and that's why they're jesus freaks
<6> Indeed
<4> Being pro-life is fine in my book, but repealing abortion is forcing your opinion on people whom don't share it
<5> see "SHE'S NOT CHRISTIAN!"
<0> well she can't repeal abortion can she?!
<6> jesusrpg.ytmnd.com
<1> it is usually accompanied with "zoinks"
<1> or "jinkies"
<1> that is a sad story, danielson
<1> hopefully they will realize they're idiots for trying to impress him
<4> yyparse, she's another cog in a machine
<4> peterhu, I don't think the husband cares as much...or is pushing her into doing this
<4> I think she's pushing him
<0> you can't force opinions on people anyway: that's a myth
<4> I didn't mean forcing an opinion, I mean legislating one
<4> and you kinda can...
<0> marx/lenin/stalin etc tried it and it didn't work
<4> Pepsi-Coke challenge?
<0> lol
<4> hehe
<1> then she's the idiot
<4> She's not the sharpest knife in the drawer, that's for sure..
<1> the requirement for feeling accepted is usually the source of great evil
<1> (e.g. religion)
<4> I hate organized religion
<1> the fact that she is not that smart will aid her in her transition to the fundamentalist lifestyle
<7> you don't care what your father thinks peterhu?
<4> Simply because I feel it does more harm than good
<1> noidea, not really
<1> why, should i?
<4> Noidea...again, this is not her father, it's her father in-law
<0> bbl
<4> peterhu...of course you don't, you care what your mother thinks
<4> You want to nail her...so you emulate your father and attempt to one-up him
<4> :)
<1> no, that i care even less, if possible
<6> I've seen religious parents drive their children to be horribly self destructive because they feel unaccepted
<4> Atleast that's what Freud says
<1> though my mother has been come so bitter i think she's lost her religion
<1> it's good to see
<7> I don't know
<7> I always thought you liked your dad
<1> oh, i do
<1> he's a great man
<7> oh, I see.
<1> but he's not me, so why do i care what he thinks?
<1> i listen to him, don't get me wrong
<1> but it's usually not related to me
<1> tax advice, for example (he's a CPA)
<1> *was* a CPA
<1> though he's still a laywer
<1> if he was disapproving of me in such a fundamental way, it wouldn't bother me
<1> were
<1> if i really gave a crap about what people thought about me, i'd probably keep my mouth shut =)
<1> speaking of fathers not approving of lifestyle choices, it's ScribbleJ
<4> peterhu...I don't buy that whole "don't give a crap about what people think of me"
<1> eh, you haven't met me =)
<4> peterhu...everybody cares about what others think of them, it's primarily how we form our identities
<1> sounds like psychobabble
<4> Psychobabble is false....this is true
<1> i'll take your word for it
<2> This is going to be fun
<2> The customer wants client machines to be monitored
<2> For the JVM memory usage
<2> Heheh
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