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<0> sup all
<1> soup?
<1> soap?
<1> SOAP
<0> never got into soap that much
<2> impatient I only did recently, with .NET web Services
<0> ya
<2> otherwise, I woudln't do it at all
<0> that's been my limited experience with it
<2> so that's cheating, since .NET does everything for us :P
<3> especially with WSE
<1> http://itinfo.eyethroughtheweb.com/itinfo/?p=4 - interesting topic about .net remoting or webservices soap
<3> the kerberos-token WS-Security stuff = easy as pie
<3> as long as you're strong in the configfu



<2> speaking of web services, how do you suggest securing your WS with credentials
<2> I have more than just l/p type stuff
<2> and even more than just group membership
<2> within a group, I might have to do a table ID lookup to see if they have access to edit/view a particular ID of something
<3> i'm sure there are plenty of ways to use WS-Security for that
<3> and better sources of information on the subject than i
<2> fair enough
<2> I'll probably just end up using the soap header to package the details
<2> and then send it down to a security layer
<2> my WS layer is EXTREMELY thin and I want to keep it that way
<2> at best it's a p***-through layer
<1> the soap header actually takes care of the security
<2> can the soap header reference the content of the envelop itself?
<3> in WSE, you'd probably use UsernameToken
<2> cuz like I said, the function called with have IDs p***ed in to it... and depending on what _type_ of ID that is, different security lookups have to be done in lookup tables
<3> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/wseref/html/T_Microsoft_Web_Services2_Security_Tokens_UsernameToken.asp
<3> you can use tokens to also sign and encrypt the message itself
<3> though that's from 2.0
<3> i don't believe there's something inherent in WSE that handles replay attacks
<3> though, depending on configuration, the window for a successful replay is pretty small
<3> but in the past we created a filter that would check against of recent message ids to see if it's being replayed
<2> yea, I haven't even considered replays... hrmmm
<3> +a list
<2> I'm more concerned with the actual security model atm... though we're still trying to get an Alpha out the door
<2> so it doesn't matter too much
<3> well, if you're using .NET, i'd look heavily into WSE, it makes WS-Security quite easy
<3> for that particular implementation, we didn't use UsernameToken, but KerberosToken, as the entire application ran over a homogenous windows network
<3> and the client wanted single-signon
<3> launch app, it knows who you are and authenticates against the AD without you ever typing in another p***word
<2> if I have WS's already do I have to rewrite them for WSE?
<2> or is it a totally different thing
<3> you'll have to some work to take advantage of security (like getting the tokens from the message, authenticating, etc), but it should be fairly transparent if you're already using ASMX
<3> the proxy needs to get the credentials attached to it, so it's not quite as simple as just instantiating the wsdl proxy cl***
<2> what's the point of the ASMX files btw? can you do anything in them?
<2> I guess you could if yo udidn't use code behind, but otherwise?
<1> they just are a reference to the actual code behind
<1> and a file that can be read by the webbrowser
<1> i haven't here the line code
<1> its basically type casting it into a proxy cl***
<2> I ***umed as much, but I wasn't sure if you could do other things with it
<1> well as far as I know
<1> i'm a noob
<1> n00b
<2> likewise
<3> they're essentially the .aspx equivilant, except they get built into a WebService derived cl***, and they map to different HttpHandler cl***es
<3> (they map = the extension is mapped)
<4> ...
<5> ellipsis
<6> Processing: COMPLETE. Result = 42. Press <7> Key to Continue.
<7> key broke
<6> I think you need a Magrathean keyboard, or something.
<5> I have one
<3> Processing: COMPLETE. JB Status = still gaey. Shoot in <HEAD> to continue.
<8> That wasn't a nice thing to say peterhu
<8> Now say sorry
<3> nevah
<3> to apologize is to be weak, to be weak is to be a JBlitzen
<8> I'll tell your mom
<6> Did JB murder somebody while I was away, or what?
<8> I don't know how it started, but peterhu seems to have found his writer's expression in the JBlitzen subject.
<6> Yeah, I thought he was the cannonical joke butt around here. Maybe he's trying to redirect the channel's angst.



<3> it's just too easy
<3> it's like besting a retarded monkey in a battle of wits, literally
<8> I have hired my wife as tester, and since she knows nothing about programming, I get very high quality testing...
<8> Sort of an advantage of working out of home
<3> that's the dumbest thing i've ever heard
<3> no one believes you are attractive to a female
<8> Who said anything about attraction? It was an arranged marriage.
<3> royally ****s to be her
<9> I need to generate random numbers from a -n to +n but rand() only generates positive numbers
<9> is there any other function I can use?
<8> omg... the world should end now. How CAN we solve cgTux's problem?
<9> IRR> ha ha ha
<10> cgTux: did you p*** algebra 1?
<9> no need to be sarcastic...
<9> yes I did but if I multiply my the rand() result times -1
<9> it will not be random...
<9> it will give me all negative numbers...
<8> (rand() % (2n + 2)) - n - 1
<10> can you think of any other mathematical operations aside from multiplication?
<10> more specifically, can you think of any operation you can perform on the range -n to +n that will make them all positive aside from absolute value?
<10> dont give it away!
<8> why not? If he is smart he'll learn from it. If he isn't, then doesnt deserve to learn anyway.
<9> IRR,,,, you kind of an ashole..
<9> ***Hole...
<8> Cool
<0> any of you remember what cl*** (I think in shcodvw.dll) is used to enumerate open explorer windows?
<0> can't remember it for the life of me
<0> s/shcodvw.dll/shdocvw.dll
<0> ;P
<10> FindWindow()? im not sure what you mean
<0> found it
<0> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/176792
<10> nm it's probably some MFC thing :P
<8> Now what sort of a spell checker would give a choice molested for Mailsite
<8> And 'ottomon' for 'admin'
<8> heh admin -> autoimmune
<10> i was hoping he would think to add and subtract on his own and then feel stupid
<10> but i guess im just a nice person
<11> bang!
<6> ... (ellipsis)
<3> time to hit the gym
<8> leaving early today?
<0> ****
<0> no ActiveX for that object :(
<12> http://www.joannejacobs.com/mtarchives/016350.html
<10> one that learns common words you use and suggests accordingly ;)
<12> Via Low Earth Orbit: Seattle Public Schools has defined "cultural racism" to include individualism and planning for the future. Here's the definition in full:
<6> What the hell is "having a future time orientation"?
<12> thinking about the future.
<6> See, I would have used the word "thinking" too.
<6> But that's probably somehow prejudiced too, because it alienates people who don't do it.
<12> I need a snack.
<6> I can't wait until the current crop of public school graduates runs the world.
<8> It can't be worst than your current government
<6> Yeah, it can.
<6> There's nothing more destructive than pervasive relativist mentality we have, and it's being taught ever more explicitly.
<8> Hey I don't quite understand
<6> An entire educational system dedicated to the destruction of the faculties necessary to discern a success from failure. That sounds pretty dark to me.
<8> I don't know much about the american school system, although my univ was modelled after stanford. Give me an example of this relativism
<6> IRR: http://www.joannejacobs.com/mtarchives/016350.html
<8> ok
<6> The notion that your personal choices should be guided, to any extent, by the number of people who find them offensive is total crap
<6> But that's what schools teach. We wasted an entire years' worth of "Social Studies (which used to be called "History", I believe) on Native American studies when I was in school.
<6> Not on their motivations, or the nature or meaning of their interactions, but on what kinds of dwellings they built.
<6> That's a criminal waste of time.
<8> Well atleast now you know...
<6> I know what a hogan is.
<6> Whoopdie fricking do. I wasted months of my life to learn that.
<11> i just installed aston shell
<6> So, again, instead of emphasizing purpose, reason, or the aforementioned "thought", it's an emphasis on otherism, or rather, the importance of anything that is dissimilar from the student.
<6> Not because it's better, but because it's different.
<6> </RANT>
<8> In the west values keep changing. But it doesn't necessarily get better.
<8> In the orient the ideologies and cultural values remain static, although people may not practice at some point in time.


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