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<0> AVR are much better and the ARM is better yet
<1> this pic cost me 8$
<1> how much would ARM be for same performance
<0> yeah, but their compiler is the pits
<2> too bad atmel doesn't make a USB mcu with flash
<2> that's the only reason im using a PIC now
<0> we used a very nice serial <==> USB chips which would also power the board when we were debugging
<0> and WinAVR is a reasonably dev environment for the Atmel chips
<0> err, reasonable
<0> though we used SciTE for editing and building
<3> does anyone know if internet connection sharing can turned on but without the dhcp? (i need nat without dhcp and i was wondering if the dhcp can be somehow disabled -- the os is winxp x86 sp1)
<0> though someone should tell Atmel that you don't have to rename every ****ing portion of yoru chip when you switch from having 1 to 2 on the chip
<4> omfg
<4> this has my wtf of the year award
<5> roflcopter
<4> they build up this m***ive data table internally to populate a tree structure, when they could just populate the tree when they're building the data table
<4> yikes
<5> hehe
<4> and every column is a string
<4> so they ToString everything
<4> including strings
<5> hmm
<5> how do these bozos get jobs everywhere, yet i'm having trouble, heh
<4> easy, they get paid about $.35 a day
<5> ah
<4> can't wait to see the performance of this page when the lists get larger than 100
<5> hehe
<6> neat :)
<6> ^_^
<4> rewritten in 10 minutes to not use a datatable
<4> it's as if they don't consider memory allocations at all
<4> it seems to be their MO to build up datastructures while iterating through an object model, and pasing those data structures to someone else that loops through them to operate on the data, when it could have been done sans data structure at the time they're actually populating the datastructure
<4> i literally have to wipe the blood out of my eyes every few minutes
<5> is that a C# project?
<4> yeah
<4> ASP.NET
<4> just because a language has syntatic sugar and there's garbage collection doesn't give a developer license to be a lazy idiot
<6> agreed
<7> It's not innefficient code... They'Re design patterns! They upgrade maintenability and extensibility in magical ways even they cannot fathom.
<4> there was also a fundamental failing of good data modeling. basically, they use sharepoint lists as actual backend storage areas because they were under the impression that it's be easier to change by an administrator.
<4> as if changing a database table was all that was required for new functionality to appear
<4> it's = it'll
<4> hopefully, i'll get that job offer and i'll maybe give them a weeks notice
<4> not even the full 14
<8> you dislike them peterhu?
<8> I wouldn't do the week's notice thing regardless
<8> you may end up working with one of them again
<8> it's not a good story to leave them with.
<8> you know, I ran into this code the other day, and I really like it.
<8> it was kind of co-developed with me, vawjr, and jeffmir. I wrote it, but they helped me debug all the template problems, and helped me get the stream manipulators working correctly.
<8> http://www.noidea128.org/sourcefiles/4630~
<9> hi
<8> for doing reporting from your app
<5> you installed a program. now run it.
<2> http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=rad
<8> allows you to dynamically enable and disable messages, and message cl***es without a recompile
<5> there might even be a shortcut on your desktop
<8> obviously it requirse you to setup the interface
<9> well, I FOUND IT(the thing I installed = vc++ express
<8> but, whatever
<8> Kind of like apps with their debug levels
<5> True_OG - okay, so run it. and create a project. and type code. and compile it. and run it.
<8> except, in this case, each message is individually configurable.
<8> though, it will work with the generic debug level very easily too.
<9> do i really need to create a project?
<5> like a logger?
<5> True_OG Yes.
<9> why?
<5> Because
<5> the project holds the project settings
<9> it works with a .cpp file only
<5> what is "it" ?
<6> 4it?
<9> i see
<9> can you test a source code for me and see if it works?coz it didn't work in my machine
<5> no
<10> dloaded VC++ 2005, when I try to run (install it) it says 'Suite Integartion Toolkit Exec. has encountered a problem and needs to close'
<9> :(
<5> True_OG if you have a problem with code, you can read the topic and paste your code at a paste site, then ask a specific question
<5> usually people can find your problem just by looking at the code and the error descriptions
<9> i am now reading the K&R c book
<9> can't you solve it now?
<5> well, I don't think that'll help you with C++
<5> www.rudbek.com/books.html
<5> C++ books.
<8> rdragon, yeah
<9> must i buy these?
<8> it's neat
<5> Yes
<8> you can set a stream for each message cl***
<11> or http://www.cplusplus.com/doc/tutorial/
<8> so different messages can go to different places
<8> and that's runtime configurable as well.
<8> so you can change it on the fly
<8> in the probject I used it
<5> Noidea - what kinds of 'messages'?
<8> I sent some messages to stdout
<9> thank you
<5> Noidea - like a logging utility
<5> ?
<8> some messages into the file I was generating for debug
<8> rdragon, yeah
<5> gotcha
<8> logging
<8> or, any output from your app really
<8> any output you might want to turn on and off
<8> like debug messages
<8> rather than enclosing all of your prints in ifs
<8> you just do something like
<8> rout(MESSAGEID) << any normal stream operations << rendm;
<5> interesting
<8> yup, that's the kind of innovative ideas we're coming up with over here at Noidea SW.
<5> hehe
<8> I found the setup to be a bit cumbersome, and tedious
<8> since I was using enums for the message ids and cl***es
<8> so, everytime I changed the header with the message ids and cl***es I'd get a full recompile
<8> but, it's all template params
<8> so if you can do it a better way, it should be configurable for you.
<5> yeah, i may take a stab at using it - i'm in need of a nice logging facility sometime soon
<0> georg79 that tutorial doesn't even get to teh standard library
<11> its a beginners tut
<5> exactly
<0> yeah, forget ****ing arrays and learn vector & string
<11> i gave that link for true_og
<4> heh, i am the interop king
<12> calc !tutorial
<13> !tutorial = C++ is not the sort of thing you learn (well) from a bunch of second-rate tutorials on the Web. The preferred method is to buy a good book (e.g. Koenig & Moo's "Accelerated C++"), get a good C++ compiler or development environment (e.g. Dev-C++), and practice a lot. You could even take a course at your local community college.
<5> beginners shouldn't be messing with raw arrays as containers, and especially not character arrays as strings. vector and string is what anyone with a clue uses, and are incredibly easier and more intuitive to use for beginners
<0> georg79 understand.... you're mistaken if yoiu think it's a good tutoria
<4> coworker wanted to know how to marshal an output char** that points at a static string
<4> (existing API, it's horrible)
<4> no sweat, for i am the god of interop, word
<11> it just goes over the basics of the c++ language, the core
<5> georg79 you're not listening
<0> georg79 you don't get it
<5> echo off
<11> leggo your ego
<0> ego has nothing to do with it
<0> teaching and learning are all it's about
<11> you think they don't teach what arrays are in a computer science course?
<0> I don't ****ing care
<5> again, you're not listening
<0> we're talking about learning C++ here
<0> and most universities do NOT teach it
<5> besides, computer science courses are notorious for teaching C++ quite badly
<5> that's why there's so many moron "C/C++" programmers out there
<5> well, I don't know if that's directly why - but I bet it has a lot to do with it
<11> it's good to know the inner workings/background of the string cl***
<0> georg79 why?
<11> why not?
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