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<0> agreed peterhu
<0> they've got similar laws all over the EU
<1> Visual C++ doesn't inherently support a .config file like Visual C# does. you can add a app.config to the project, but you'll have to manually setup a file custom build step to copy the file to the output directory, and rename it to foo.exe.config
<1> oh misread the article
<1> the warrant was issued in 1989
<1> he was arrested in november
<2> yeah, that's pretty wacky.
<1> still, three years is a horrible sentence for speaking one's mind
<2> I doubt it'll stand up to appeal, esp if they take it to the EU court system
<0> Germany has similar laws
<3> ok, how can i set the "Copy Local" property in my VS project to copy any required .dll required for my .exe?
<0> about making nazi salutes
<0> and whatnot
<0> and, in fact
<1> is this 2005, valian?
<0> the police have promised a crack down on such things during some upcoming soccer match
<3> no Visual c++ 2003
<1> are you using managed extensions for c++?
<1> (we collectively hope not)
<3> i'm just working on a standard C++ app
<4> making racist remarks in the UK is a criminal offence I think
<4> at least it is at a football match
<0> so is carrying a pocket knife
<1> then you have to make sure things get copied or built to the same directory, yourself
<0> the UK is clearly stupid.
<0> and, they were thiking of banning large kitchen knives
<1> the project system only handles copying local .NET ***embly references (and in 2003, it has some major issues in that area)
<0> because, "No one NEEDS large kitchen knives"
<4> Hmm, it's always been illegal to carry a large knife
<4> unless you just bought it I guess
<0> no
<0> it's illegal in the UK to carry a pocket knife
<3> i am getting a 'cannot load type x from ***embly' error, i guess i need to copy .dll to local directory?
<0> you know
<0> the cute little swiss army kind
<4> Noidea, that's not true
<4> it has to be over a certain size
<0> it's true from what I've read
<4> (to be illegal)
<1> valian, that's a .NET exception. how are you getting that if you're using "standard c++"?
<0> I even remember reading about a crack down
<0> and, the large kitchen knife ban meant everywhere, including at home
<0> I don't know if that ever happened or not
<0> I don't live in the UK
<0> I just read about it in the news from time to time.
<3> The Type i am trying to load exists in another ***embly, built from a seperate project in the same solution
<4> http://www.seax.demon.co.uk/kl.htm
<4> as far as I know that is still current
<4> sure, there are proposals to ban many things, some of them get voted in, some don't
<1> valian, you are using managed extensions for c++ if that's the case. you can't use .NET from C++ without it in 2003.
<2> it's only knives over a certain size that are banned
<2> and even larger ones *can* be carried if you actually have a reason (i.e. they won't stop a farmer)
<4> smoking is banned in pubs from next spring - which is fantastic!
<1> and usage of managed extensions for c++ is heavily discouraged for a few reasons: it's hideous, it doesn't support templates, and it's deprecated in 2005
<2> next summer, I heard. But yup, that's one ban I'm all for. and I'm not ususally up for banning stuff
<5> heya
<6> Talking about Managed C++... I'm currently looking up C++/CLI. What's the general opinion about that around here?
<0> why would you be all for that?
<2> I think we generally like it
<0> that's a private business
<3> I think the Type is in seperate .dll file but it is looking in the .exe file which is why it cant find it. how can i make it look in the .dll?
<4> actually, you're right, i'm not sure of the date - there was an article saying that it would start on national no smoking day, but I think that's probably on a proposal
<2> Because I'll actually be able to go to a pub and not get g***ed to death
<0> you don't have to go in to a bar if you don't like the smoking in there.
<2> and not have to keep seperate outfits to stink up if I want to go out
<1> DrkMatter, it's much better.
<2> In which case, you can't go into *any* bars
<2> I can count the non-smoking bars in the UK on one hand
<1> as a language, i greatly prefer it to C#
<0> So, then it seems most people want smoking bars
<0> not smoke free bars
<4> yes, and bars will probably get more customers, not less, since 75% of the population doesn't smoke
<6> Is it a viable solution to, say, devellop the backbone infrastructure in C++/CLI and use C# for GUIs?
<1> unfortunately, the IDE support (intellisense and editor) make it difficult to use in comparison
<2> No, it's one of the faults in capitalism
<0> if there were a market for smoke free bars
<0> they'd exist.
<2> 80% of people want smoke free bars. 20% want smoking bars
<2> There are no smoking bars. hence people are distributed all over the place
<1> you get the exact same design experience in C++/CLI
<2> er, no *non* smoking bars
<0> if that were the case, they'd exist already
<1> but you have to fight the editor (no XML comment support, intellisense is slow, etc)
<2> The first pub to switch just ends up losing 20% of it's business. It would take a lot of bars to switch at once to make any difference
<2> hence the new law
<6> Ah. Guess I'll dig deeper then.
<0> that doesn't make sense at all
<2> Also, smoking kills people, so it's good on that front as well. which is the front it's been legislated on
<0> they'd take the business away from the other bars
<0> if people truly wanted to be in the smoke free environment
<0> they'd have just the 1 option for a smoke free bar
<2> you'd think, but it's not happened that way in experiments
<0> so that's where they'd go.
<2> they just loose business
<0> right
<0> because it's not what people want.
<2> even though I'd gladly travel to get to a smoke free bar
<0> not the people who hang out in bars
<1> valian, ***uming you know you're using a managed project, you would set a project reference from the .exe project to the .dll project, at which point the project system *should* automatically copy the dll to the .exe's output folder. unfortunately in 2003, there are some major problems with project references (like fixation on a particular configuration rather than the active one)
<2> Well, it is. It was one of the most popular manifesto pledges
<2> It's an odd one, for sure
<4> people who hang out in bars are smokers at the moment - change takes time
<0> in the US
<0> they banned smoking, I forget in what city, maybe DC?
<2> Anyway, the social issue is pretty much irrelevent. Smoking kills people, ergo smoking in publically accessible places should not be allowed
<2> And from next summer, it won't be
<0> all those buisnesses now lose money
<1> Visual Studio 2005 has it's issues for sure, but i can't see why anyone would want to stay with 2003 in favor of 2005
<0> the people who want to go to bars are willing to drive to get to a bar where they can smoke
<4> i.e. it will take the nonsmokers a couple of years to get used to the idea and start going to pubs they couldn't go to previously coz they were too smokey
<0> even though the whole city went smoke free
<0> their customers will drive to the neighboring city to get to smoking bars.
<0> But, more importantly
<0> it's private property
<0> what right do you have to tell the owner what he can do with his property?
<0> I'll never understand that
<2> and? laws don't cease at the boundaries of private property
<0> you don't like smoking
<4> health and safety issue
<2> *especially* health laws
<0> so, you think it's all right to force your view on them with laws.
<1> DrkMatter, note that ASP.NET doesn't support C++/CLI (you can obviously use it from C#/VB pages through an ***embly reference, but the pages themselves can't embed C++/CLI)
<2> otherwise there'd be no health and safety laws for businesses
<0> again, in the US
<2> "It's fine that people are dying from asbestosis. My buildings are private property!"
<0> as cities go smoke free
<1> but with respect to winform development, the designer works just as well in C++/CLI as it does in C#
<0> there have been polls taken of the workers in restaurants and bars
<0> they overwhelimingly disapprove of smoking bans
<2> I doubt that. The *owners* might, as it would cost them short term revenue
<2> But workers themselves, unless they smoke, are unlikely to be anything other than for it
<0> this was specifically the waiters, waitresses and bar tenders
<4> who'd want to work in a smoky place - that's so hard to believe
<6> Well, I'm mostly considering it from a desktop application point, so that shouldn'T eb a problem to me.
<0> sorry, the polls say otherwise.
<2> Indeed - why would you choose to say "Smoking, please"
<2> rather than "Non smoking"
<2> unless you smoke?
<2> I would wager they're parroting the "We'll lose our jobs" line
<0> why would smokers want to be in a smokey room?
<0> they don't get the nicotine out of smoke in the air
<0> no buzz
<0> nothing
<2> ah, so the smoking people want it. No shock there
<0> but, the only important issue here is
<2> Lets ask the non-smoking waiters/waitresses
<4> they're just indifferent Noidea - they can't smell how bad it is
<0> why people think because they don't like something they get the right to ban it everywhere
<0> including private property
<0> if the workers REALLY don't like smoke
<2> Because it's not a *don't like* issue
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