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<0> Then it's $375 a year for two years.
<1> Visual Studio 2005 Team Suite with MSDN Premium Subscription**
<1> $3,499.00
<1> $10,939.00
<1> (upgrade, and retail)
<1> how ridiculous is that?
<2> Not as ridiculous as buying MS SQL Server and MS Server
<1> can you get away with getting the SQL server that's bundled with windows server 2k3 SBE?
<2> all i know is microsoft's licensing agreements are hardcore messed up for small businesses
<1> yeah that's why they released "Small Business Edition" .. or so I thought.
<1> about $500.
<2> So?
<2> I am a student. Does that mean I should buy Microsoft Student?
<1> that's not as bad as it could be :]
<1> haha prolly not
<2> Point being my needs might not be met by the SBE package
<1> our campus here is the lamest I've ever seen. They have an MS academic license agreement yet they sell everything at or above retail price
<1> (wtf?)
<2> How many students on campus?
<1> they're either profiteering or.. I dunno
<1> not sure. 10-20k?
<3> just talk to microsoft about setting up a microsoft student developers group, and they'll give you free crap
<3> that's what we did
<1> hmm
<2> That's a good suggestion.
<1> cool
<2> Special interest groups always get free stuff
<1> indeed
<3> had meetings, free pizza, software, prizes, etc
<2> I am a member of LIPHP and LILUG and O'Reilly loves sending us free books
<1> heh
<2> I wish Charles River Media would send free books :D
<2> or Morgan Kaufman, or Springler Verglag
<1> the only free stuff I got was 5 free copies of a book I wrote something in:)
<1> but yes, I like your ideas
<2> Half of my friends reference material (XSLT 2.0, etc) comes from O'Reilly, free.
<1> hmm.
<2> Of course he writes some reviews and writes back to O'Reilly what he thought
<1> I'd like to start a local SIG that's unrelated to students
<1> since.. well.. most students around here are stupid
<2> That's the political way to do it, really
<2> Because basically you are a crash test dummy for them
<1> i could hit up the local high school for smart kids tho
<1> hmmms.
<2> The thing about SIGs you have to be weary of is,
<2> after it gets large in size,
<0> Speaking of which, whatever happened to that band?
<0> The Crash Test Dummies?
<2> some of the members want to start their own SIGs,
<2> and sometimes that can cause high fragmentation in the core SIG
<0> Wouldn't they be Special Special Interest Groups?
<1> zbo, isn't that when you order ***asinations? ;)
<2> Basically :-)
<0> How about a General Interest Group?
<2> On both accounts LOL
<1> I like that!
<0> GIG
<1> Solamente, yes. the tla is perfect.
<2> General Interest Party - GIP! :D
<1> that's one for the gipper..
<2> What school do you go to Swish?
<1> it might be fun to get intel to send VTune, VMware to send workstation.. MS to send SQL server etc..
<0> Well, I wrote a nifty web service today for a vendor, then I found out he'll be consuming it from VB 6.
<0> I was so let down.
<1> get smart kids interested in the tools developers really use
<1> zbo, I have been fortunate enough to go to TJHSST for high school and carnegie mellon briefly
<0> Swish: Bingo. No more DevC++ on top of MingW
<1> before ending up at a local cesspo... i mean.. local university named GMU :)
<0> Or, god help us, Borland C++ 5
<1> hah!
<2> you dropped out of CM?
<0> On MySQL
<1> zbo, I did.
<1> if I ever return (and I might, some day) it will be to take a few select courses
<1> but only during the summer months, and I'll get my own damned appartment with A/C :)
<0> Props! Fellow drop-out!
<1> ^5!
<1> I hated campus life in pittsburgh, sorry
<2> I wish I could go to a school like that.
<1> careful how alert you want me, Solamente
<1> I'm supposed to be a bright kid ;)
<1> there are some really brilliant professors at CMU
<1> if I go back, it's to take their courses.
<2> there are really brilliant professors everywhere. the trouble is finding motivated professors
<4> Pittsburgh is a cool place
<1> take my local university, GMU. I had the best linear algebra teacher ever.
<1> he sounded -just- like harry potter.
<1> and he was the most militant methodical accurate (and very bright) tenured professor I've ever had.
<1> great attributes for a math nerd.
<1> he was religiously consistant
<2> One of my teachers told me that she took her job so she could quit the private sector of banking and just have a similar, structured life where she could set her office hours, etc.
<2> Not avery motivated teacher, although she is brilliant.
<1> haha
<2> Consequently I dont learn much from her unless I nag her.
<0> Heck, I should become a professor, then.
<1> if I could be great in this world I'd work my entire life to reinvent the way we teach kids
<0> It's like being an op, but getting paid.
<1> that'd be a great dream.
<1> hehe
<1> can't we write software that'll teach kids better than people ever could?
<2> Swish: I think the problem is too systemic.
<0> The computer teacher at my kids' school called me today.
<1> I'm thinking of reorganizing it so "teachers" who are in charge of 30 kids won't actually teach much, but will instead just make sure they don't pick on eachother and get out of line
<0> She wanted to know how to share a folder from one computer in the lab and access it from all the others.
<1> hehehe
<2> I've been lectured by some famous physicists & people of that ilk, and the difference is really cool, because they have a different feel for what they are describing.
<1> let's face it, there aren't enough smart teachers to go around
<0> Every time I told her to right click something and bring up a menu, she'd jump in with, "And click Send To, right?"
<1> LOL
<2> It's not smart teachers that are the problem.
<2> It's motivated teachers.
<0> "No, don't click Send To"
<3> you fool
<3> Send To would have done it
<1> hahaha
<0> Only if "Hell" were a menu option.
<1> or if he'd emailed her a .reg file to incorporate into the right-click-menu
<1> might need a custom .exe .. hmm
<0> The fact that she's the school's resident computer expert (when I'm not on campus) genuinely frightens me.
<0> At least she tries, though.
<1> zbo, i dunno man. motivation is a problem for everyone, including teachers. I'll concede that. But I don't think most teachers are smart enough.
<2> In my business philosophy, I believe you have to let the bottom person go each hiring interval.
<1> I'd like every teacher to be 20 IQ points smarter than his/her kids
<0> zbo: Relegation to a lower league, sort of?
<2> No. Companies always talk about how they are hiring from the top 1% of applicants.
<0> Pfft.
<0> The hell they are.
<0> You can't hire the top 1% if you state that your pay is 50th percentile (like most claim).
<2> Well, let's suppose that is true, that other companies don't beat them to the punch by headseeking through college professors and asking the professors to set them up with recommendations of their top students,
<2> And they do have the top 1% applicants in terms of resume and interview
<2> Well, shouldnt you also cut off the bottom percentile of yourcurrent workforce?
<5> It's likely the top percent that's the least efficient
<2> JBlitzen: what do you mean?
<3> jb means "wha wha wha, i wish i was top percent"
<5> http://www.nysun.com/article/12343
<3> instead, he's a texan
<2> hehe
<2> Having a good job in Texas is difficult.
<5> I'm watching a two hour commercial for mini coopers
<2> Texas is just one great big sprawl.
<5> I'd be ashamed except there's the possibility that charlize theron's blouse will fly off
<3> italian job: not a chance
<5> No don't ruin it for me
<6> you don't like girls anyway JB
<1> heh
<0> I've been the only gringo in El Paso twice.
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