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<0> I once used g++'s but I don't remember how it works
<0> Not as smooth but it gave you the same information from a command line
<1> Thanks JBlitzen. But first, I need to step in to the 21st century according to rdragon. I'm on Win 98 SE.
<0> Yeah, using Windows 98 in 2006 is a little like using DOS in 1996
<0> Consider that 3.1 came out closer to the release of 98 than 98 did to modern windows.
<1> but I like it nevertheless
<0> You'll like XP pro more
<0> Or at least 2000
<0> But that's neither here nor there, obviously you can't upgrade tonight
<1> i've used Win XP on other computers and find it to be more cumbersome
<0> Well
<0> An Abrams tank is more complex and demanding than a T-72
<0> Which one do you want on your side
<1> dunno
<0> What country do you live in
<1> India!!



<0> Oh
<0> Then that changes things even more.
<1> how?
<0> But just bear in mind that nearly all software in the states now comes written for XP and 2000, and support for anything older than that is out the door
<0> Well, XP might be disproportionately expensive for you
<2> lol ya right, it's all pirated there
<3> JBlitzen, no, it's free
<0> Heh
<1> hey
<2> where in India are you krg2006 ?
<1> i'm using original Win 98 SE
<4> nice, Solaris 10 is free now
<1> The southern most tip, where the Tsunami hit in 2004 Dec
<3> cn28h, free as in "free beer" ?
<2> where's that, tamil nadu?
<1> yeah, near Kanyakumari
<2> mmm k
<2> dinnatime
<4> hm?
<1> I'm planning to go to the US for my higher studies though.
<5> my linux just crashed :-(
<6> How would I go about getting inforamtion about the dimensions of, lets say task-bar? desktop-area?
<5> fatbrain, that's not really C++-related
<7> can someone help me with my website please
<1> How is learning C++ applicable to making websites?
<6> gribouille: so.... I should ask that sort of question in a "#winapi" channel?
<3> fatbrain, yes
<6> gribouille: hehe... that's silly
<3> fatbrain, why ?
<6> because there's no winapi channel.
<6> and people who write code in C++ may have come across that sort of information, that's why I asked in this channel.
<6> I even remember someone talking about it a year ago or so. In this channel.
<6> (It may have been the #C# channel as well, but nevertheless, it's as much #c++ as #c# -related)
<1> Why are you guys (moderators of the channel) helping us guys with our queries? I mean, are you doing it as a hobby?
<3> fatbrain, there may be some people here who know the answer, but that's not the best place
<6> and an non-existing #winapi channel is? of if you know of a winapi "oriented" channel, just point me in the right direction and I'll be on my jolly way.
<3> fatbrain, go to #windows
<6> hehe, no way, topic contains "... (Our page: www.WinHelp.Ro)" and that can't be good.
<8> Trying to create a printf wrapper.... but how do you get access to the optional parameter list? myprintf(const char *str,...){printf(str,???);}
<9> you could do a FindWindow with Shell_TrayWnd (try using Spy++, it's a Windows programmer's best friend), and then doing GetWindowRect
<3> Valmer, use IOStreams
<10> Valmer: It's #c++ here but look for va_list
<9> and don't listen to gribouille
<9> he's french
<9> Shell_TrayWnd for the cl***, that is
<1> ok, i guess I'm too great a novice to be in this channel.
<3> peterhu, are you american ?
<8> debugger....yes still don't know how the va_list works. I tried it but it doesn't work for me.
<9> yep
<10> Valmer: Then use iostreams like a good c++ programmer ;)
<3> peterhu, and are you proud to be an american ?
<10> ( Hint: Google )
<9> i guess
<8> debugger: must be a easy way :) I thought it would be trivial.
<9> beats most places
<1> Is being a non-american considered to be lower?
<3> peterhu, are you proud of George W. Bush ?
<10> gribouille: Who cares
<9> certainly not
<9> to both questions
<9> don't feel bad, being french is only *one* reason people shouldn't listen to you



<10> peterhu: What do you have against french speaking people?
<9> heh, nothing really
<9> my wife speaks fluent french
<3> peterhu, I know. there are at least 17456488 reasons
<6> hehe, peterhu, was that an excuse ?
<6> ^^
<10> peterhu: By french people, you mean someone from France?
<1> I love Americans and respect them for their scientific temper
<9> debugger, are there other kinds of french people?
<10> I'm from canada
<9> then you're canadian
<1> But it puts anybody off when they don't equally love and respect other cultures
<9> love and respect of cultures is stupid
<9> (all cultures)
<10> Religions are even more
<1> All the same, I'm impressed that a majority of Americans welcome other cultures and nationalities
<9> people who identify themselves with a language, a people, a nation, and other antiquated notions are pretty silly
<9> and *especially* religions
<0> Khan rejects the paradigm and instead identifies himself with gaey
<9> hah
<1> aren't you proud to be an American, peterhu?
<10> krg2006: I'm not canadian, only human ;)
<9> do i sit around going "holy crap, america rocks!"? no
<3> krg2006, he's proud of his fat ***
<0> He's a liberal, he's not supposed to be proud of America
<9> but i do realize it's a decent place to live
<0> They don't think that way on the east coast
<1> whatever
<0> A proud liberal is like a victorious frenchman
<1> there's not enough respect in you anyway, peterhu
<9> i'm certainly not proud of the toothless middle america embodied by JBlitzen
<0> Haha
<9> respect is for people that earn it
<9> it is not something inherent in being human
<0> Particularly french people and liberals
<1> ok, you haven't earned tad bit.
<9> i'm sure that matters to someone
<1> to your wife probably
<3> peterhu, do you think the american way of life should spread all over the world ?
<1> or if you're 'gay' to your partner
<0> Hahaha
<9> nah, i think people should live the way they want
<9> if people want "american way of life" great
<9> if they want to have a dictator that tortures them, let them
<9> i don't really care
<3> peterhu, you mean a dictator like Bush ?
<1> America on the whole appears to 'care' for humanity. You seem to be an odd man out, Mr. Peterhu
<9> bush isn't a dictator by any stretch of the imagination
<8> How can I make a Macro wrapper for printf perhaps?
<9> he may be an idiot, and as a president i'm sure we've had worse, but he's not a dictator
<0> He's not an idiot
<3> peterhu, you're right. he tortures only foreigners
<9> ok fine
<9> compared to JBlitzen, he is not an idiot
<0> You say that like we should care, gribouille
<0> If you threaten American citizens, the US will hunt you down like a dog and gut you.
<3> JBlitzen, care about what ?
<0> That's actually what we pay the government for.
<0> It's not some dereliction of duty, it is the duty.
<1> I guess C++ has become commonplace for now
<9> heh and this all occured because gribouille is sensative about jokes
<0> Well, I don't really want to start in on him
<0> He sounds like he's 12, it'd just scar him
<3> JBlitzen, I wish I wre 12
<9> one day
<0> Hahaha
<3> I won't be 12 any more
<1> whatever happened to polymorphism and inheritance
<9> krg2006, you'll find people experienced in the language really get bored with talking shop
<1> really now
<0> That's true
<0> At some point you just realize that function prototypes are about as interesting a topic in life as tax laws.
<9> which is why these "fights" (aruging over the internet is pretty stupid to begin with) start


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