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<0> albeit horribly C++, but c++ nonetheless
<1> I'm reading C++ For Beginners. And Herbert Schildt says that C++ was needed, because other languages such as C could not write large programs.
<0> that's not true
<1> Not? :s
<0> lots of large programs were and are written in C
<1> hmm
<1> *reading*
<2> Pjott, never, never read a book by Herbert Schildt
<0> i think Schildt has been torn down in this channel before as not really being authoritative on anything at all
<0> yeah, there we go
<2> Herbert Schildt belongs to the trash bin
<1> What do you prefer then?
<0> what are you trying to learn?
<2> rdragon, java
<1> C++ here :)
<0> www.rudbek.com/books.html
<3> Windows API is written in C.
<3> Say what you like about it, it's not very small
<4> Accelerated c++ seems to be the everyone's favorite
<1> Fanboy'ism is lame...
<4> ...
<5> how is C# different from C++?
<2> krg2006, C# has no direct relationship to C++
<4> krg2006: It's 2 different languages
<5> which one's more powerful?
<2> krg2006, C# is similar to java
<6> AWESOME POWAH
<2> krg2006, C++
<4> C++ is more POWAHFULLZ
<7> why haven't you fixed your brakes yet?
<5> k
<7> get outside and get to work.
<6> that's JBlitzen you momo
<3> Yeah, dopey
<4> C# is better for making GUI applications IMHO
<3> And I'm not doing it today
<7> I know who it is.
<3> Probably not this weekend
<7> he's in here talking.
<7> he's not outside working, like he should be.
<6> oh
<6> right
<3> Lies!
<6> i don't notice when JBlitzen talks
<6> xchat comes with a lameness filter
<3> He pretends not to notice, but the tiny lump in his pants gives it away
<5> will 32-bit programming be phased out when 64-bit programming comes in vogue?
<3> 32 bits ought to be enough for anyone
<5> i'm not sure what I'm asking thouth
<5> though*
<5> k
<3> I'm joking
<5> oh
<4> 32bits programming will eventually die for PCs
<3> http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,1484,00.html
<5> dag on it! How does one learn 64-bit programming?
<7> its' no different
<4> It's no different than 32bits programming
<7> the OS does all the 64bit stuff.
<5> thank God
<4> It doesn't matter is int is 32bits or 64
<4> *if
<5> oh yeah!
<2> krg2006, programs shouldn't depend on the size of types
<5> k
<5> VC++ 2005 Express is free for download. How about Visual Studio 2005?
<8> not so much
<5> I'm guessing you have to pay for Visual Studio 2005
<8> aye
<0> the express edition is free, but any other version yes, you have to pay for
<2> what are the other differences ?
<0> express doesn't include mfc
<0> and other dabblings of tools here and there
<0> there should be a comparison matrix at ms's site somewhere
<3> enter the matrix
<0> no bold
<3> fortune favors the bold
<5> i'm going to download VC++ 2005 Express. Is it worth doing that?
<3> Does it cost you anything to download things?
<8> TIME
<3> Does it cost you, krg2006, anything to download things?
<2> krg2006, in my opinion, iy isn't worth
<0> krg2006 it's the best development tool out there. get it.
<5> cool, thanks
<9> that's a pretty bold claim
<0> no, I didn't use bold
<3> fortune favors the bold
<0> lol
<3> enter the matrix
<3> :D
<6> my client doesn't support retard
<6> apparently yours does
<6> which one? mirc?
<0> it seems to support you pretty well
<5> zoicks!! It says, you need Windows 2000 or higher to install VC++ 2005 Express. Dang, I have only Win 98 SE.
<6> keep your CTCP's above the belt
<6> you slut
<6> win98
<6> hahahaha
<3> Haha rdragon
<6> sorry, VC++ Express is for real OSs
<0> krg2006 I guess your first step is to come into the 21st century
<9> windows is so *not* a real time OS ;P
<5> lol
<0> right, it goes by the MS timezone
<2> krg2006, get rid of windows; get linux
<9> grib, you tried opensolaris yet?
<5> I've got other things to do in life than just hack computers man.
<2> cn28h, no. only linux
<9> ah, I'm thinking about giving it a try
<9> Solaris is pretty cool
<9> krg2006, liar
<2> cn28h, I've been using linux for too long to switch
<2> even to try something else
<9> well, not switching my workstation
<9> thking about putting it on a server
<9> does Linux run on SPARC64?
<2> cn28h, is opensolaris better than linux ?
<9> haven't tried it yet
<9> only regular Solaris
<2> cn28h, linux has been ported to nearly all architectures
<2> cn28h, so, is solaris better than linux ?
<9> I know the kernel has, but do you know a distro that has a SPARC64 release?
<9> hard to say, they're pretty similar
<5> thanks for all the help, people :)
<2> cn28h, debian, it seems
<9> new JDE is pretty cool
<2> http://www.debian.org/ports/sparc64/
<2> cn28h, what's that ?
<5> one more question: What's a debugger and how does it work?
<2> krg2006, a debugger enables you to run a program step by step and to examine its state
<5> is it command-line?
<2> krg2006, not necessarily
<5> k
<9> gribouille, JDE -> Java Desktop Environment
<9> CDE blew pretty hard, but JDE is nice
<2> cn28h, ok thanks
<3> VC++'s is nice and integrated
<3> You can set a line of code to be a breakpoint
<2> cn28h, is it the same as JDS ?
<3> You start the program in debug mode, and it halts if it hits the breakpoint line
<9> hm, not sure
<9> oh
<3> You can then examine all the data values and such and step through the rest of the code
<9> JDS might be the right name
<9> for some reason I thought it was JDE
<3> Click a button to execute the next line of code, that sort of thing
<9> but in any event, it's pretty good
<3> Very sophisticated, very useful.
<3> I once used g++'s but I don't remember how it works
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