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<0> but the -real- challenge is how to smoothly transition all the channels to the new system
<0> and to train people
<0> and such and such
<1> yeah
<1> anyway, it was shutdown - I rather want to forget about it now :/
<0> :|
<1> I'm NEVER EVER going to code ANYTHING anymore for undernet.
<0> heh
<0> never code for a free project you have no control over. :)
<0> asking for disappointment.
<1> Good advise.
<0> power is king.
<1> Death to the GPL
<0> hehe
<1> heheh
<1> I only use QPL since.
<0> just retain total control of the whole project and you'll be fine :)
<1> since.. five year ago thus (when politics worked me out of coder-com to begin with)
<0> heh
<1> I sometimes get mail from frustrated people who don't want to use my project(s) because it aint GPL. They say things like: if it was GPL a LOT more people would use it (same with supporting windows by the way).
<1> But then I laugh, heheh. I don't give a damn who uses it or not. They decide, I just code.
<0> :]
<0> ah well
<1> I purposely don't support windows by the way. It gives me a warm fuzzy feeling, writing code that I know is impossible to port to windows.
<1> But that's just something personal ;)
<0> heh
<0> i hope it stems from a logical plan and decision
<0> not from emotional grudges and whatnot
<1> I'm not REALLY thinking that people will one day write a letter to Bill Gates, saying, sorry - but I'll stop using windows, cause it doesn't support Carlo Wood's code.
<1> lol
<0> i hope you're leveraging it for financial or other gains
<0> otherwise.. heh
<0> you dun wanna know what I think ;)
<1> tell me
<0> I think it'd be stupid, unless you planned a real gain from it
<1> I'm not making money with my software, which is EXACTLY why I don't "have" to support window, like everyone else.
<1> The whole monopoly of windows exist because they have the (largest) market.
<0> they also have high production values
<0> and good thinkers. and good lawyers
<1> If I, who doesn't NEED a lot of people to use my code, won't do this, then who will?
<0> etc and so forth
<1> gotta start somewhere. It's a principle.
<2> Funny thing... if everyone cared about their software being portable, microsoft would have less of a monopoly
<3> Wait... people refuse to use code that isn't GPL?
<2> I don't mean to suggest a different principle for you--just making an observation
<3> I refuse to use code that *is* GPL.
<3> Bizarre.
<1> isn't GPL
<3> At least I have practical reasons for doing so.
<0> Run, I think my point boils down to.. if you want to make a mark on the world (based on your principles), figure out what mark you'd like to make and then work to make it happen.
<0> but simply declaring your principles doesn't really accomplish anything :)
<3> And I just discovered why applying procedural behavior in a functional language (in this case, XSLT) is a Bad Idea(TM).
<0> (who knows, you may end up doing some soul searching and figure out those principles aren't the ones you like most)
<1> debian for example REALLY wants to use my library, but they can't because QPL isn't "free" in their opinion. Therefore it's put in some different (optional?) section or something. Maybe less people use it, I don't know. But several people have tried to convince me I was evil not to convert it to GPL.
<3> The GPL people can all go bite themselves.
<2> You could distribute under multiple licenses if you felt like it
<1> However, I wrote it. It's mine. And GPL == giving away ALL rights. Why would I want to do that? The GPL is nice for users, it is NOT the best choice for the programmer, unless you have to use a lot of GPL-ed code.
<1> yy2bggggs: No, I simply don't want it to be GPL-ed. Multiple licenses would still take all rights from me.
<3> That's exactly what Stallman think you ought to do: give away all rights.
<3> And that's why he has to resort to re-defining words, like "free", to make that sound like a good idea.
<1> I will when I die.
<3> Stallman's an ***hole. A smart one, granted, but one nonetheless.
<2> Run: That's fine... I don't know what "QPL" is--I was ***uming it was another open source license. If you don't want to distribute rights per GPL, it sounds valid
<1> lets them make a license that says that it will be automatically GPL-ed once I'm dead, and I'll use it. Hum, it has to say that it won't be GPL-ed when I'm killed though ;)
<0> run, complicated ;)
<0> just write a will :)
<3> Pfft. Just state that in your license.
<0> Solamente, I wouldn't :)
<0> too much incentive for people to off me.
<3> I have yet to write code that people would kill for.
<3> Maybe I'm just not at your level.
<0> that's Run's stated goal in life
<0> <1> I'm not REALLY thinking that people will one day write a letter to Bill Gates, saying, sorry - but I'll stop using windows, cause it doesn't support Carlo Wood's code.
<0> that's code people will kill for :)
<2> Run's goal in life is for Solamente to write code people would kill for?
<1> QPL is open source, but not free. The only restriction is has is that people are not allowed to make modifications to the source code and destribute that as a tar ball; any third party changes has to be distributed as patches. You can distribute packages like that (like source rpms), but I'd still control the project: I could re-indent the code and make their patches invalid every new release and they'd quickly give up making large/huge changes to my code ;)
<0> feh can't someone just write a more intelligent patcher to subvert you? ;)
<0> maybe hook patch into gcc.. partially compile/parse the code before looking for patch points..
<0> there are ways..
<0> it's cat and mouse though. :)
<2> Swish: Hmmm... and patch code editors...
<1> Another way would probably be to start a project with a name that is the same as a domain name. And then distribute your stuff from a website with that name. A project like that would be pretty hard to "take over": people would keep coming back to the same website.
<2> Or a tar filter that applies patches
<1> When I want an update of a project 'cppgraph', and I google for it, and I see www.cppgraph.org, then I'll download from there and not go on looking for foo.com with some branched cppgraph distribution.
<0> heh
<0> or would cppgraph.sourceforge.net win?
<0> it's a good idea
<1> :p
<1> On the other hand... I own ircu.sourceforge.net.
<1> Didn't stop them from creating a new project on sf ;)
<1> not to mention coder-com.undernet.org
<1> :/
<0> heh
<0> I should get to bed
<0> take it easy Run
<0> later Solamente, all
<1> good night
<0> nini
<4> q/
<5> greetings ppl
<5> can someone sugest me an editor that has AutoComplete features ?
<2> vi
<6> vc++ 2005 express
<2> vim more precisely... or eclipse
<5> YUY0x7 thats MS visual c++ 2005 express ??
<5> yy2bggggs: i'm on windows
<6> yes
<5> YUY0x7: anything lighter?
<2> I use gvim on windows
<5> yy2bggggs: thanks!
<2> Slickedit
<5> which one?
<5> gvim or Slickedit ?
<2> I'd recommend you look at a few
<5> thats what i'm gonna do! thanks...
<5> yy2bggggs: does gvim has autocomplitment features?
<5> ???
<2> Yes
<5> :S i cant seem to find it...
<2> It's not syntax based, but it does parse include files
<2> CTRL-N/CTRL-P
<5> ok let me try
<2> Type part of what you want then that
<5> yy2bggggs: yes thank you very much i used it...
<7> getline(MySStream, MyString); how do I know if an error ocurred?
<7> there is no .bad() for stringstreams
<7> how do I see if the failbit is set?
<2> The stream itself is a bad
<3> if (getline(MySStream, MyString) ) { /* it worked */ } else { /* it didn't */ }
<3> http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite/input-output.html
<2> What is MySStream though?
<3> Read that
<7> thanks
<3> That link explains how you should do proper error testing for streams.
<3> And that is *never* by testing a fail bit.
<3> Anticipating the next question...
<3> You clear a failure in a stringstream with .clear()
<3> And you reset its contents with .str("")
<8> http://www.anncoulter.com/cgi-local/welcome.cgi
<8> khan ^
<9> ann coulter, like yourself, is a stone cold freak
<10> is there a convenient way to lowercase-ize a std::string?
<6> calc lowercase
<11> lowercase = lowercase a std::string that contains only 7-bit ascii with 'std::transform(str.begin(), str.end(), str.begin(), tolower);'. For international strings, see std::tolower, and 'calc case'.
<10> thanks
<6> np
<12> typedef void (HyperOnClick*)(HWND); this code won't compile from the header file
<12> it works fine inside the cpp
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