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<0> look:
<0> http://public.research.att.com/~bs/oopsla.pdf
<1> You apparently haven't read his position, IRR.
<2> It was even called C with Cl***es to start with
<0> doesn't matter
<0> read that link
<2> Heh, oopsla is an OO conference
<1> So?
<2> But lets look
<1> Read the paper.
<1> That was the perfect forum for what he had to say, if you ask me.
<1> Since preaching to the choir is typically useless.
<2> This paper briefly presents key programming styles directly supported by
<2> C++ and argues that the support for multiple styles is one of its major strengths.
<2> The styles presented include: traditional Cstyle,
<2> concrete cl***es, abstract
<2> cl***es, traditional cl*** hierarchies, abstract cl***es and cl*** hierarchies, and
<2> generic programming.
<0> exactly
<2> And how many of them fall outside of OO?
<0> more than one
<2> 2
<0> okay, so?
<2> 1 for backward compatability, 1 for marketing.
<0> marketing?
<3> 1 for marketing?
<2> of the language
<0> generic programming isn't a marketing tool
<2> What is it then?
<3> The generic programming technqiues are what makes C++ as good as it is
<2> Yes but what is it?
<0> do you know what generic programming is?
<2> I am asking you
<2> I don't know
<0> well if you don't know, then don't call it a marketing tool
<2> A major theme in the C++ community over the last
<2> few years has been the development of techniques
<2> exploiting the template mechanism.
<0> yeah
<2> Which strongly typed, non-oo languages support templates?
<0> then read 6.7.1, and 6.7.2...
<0> which are subheadings under that paste
<2> Because then you might start mixing templates with symbolic programming
<0> not familiar with 'symbolic programming' and how it relates to templates and such
<0> but templates and lots of stuff the boost library does - like boost::bind, has nothing to do with "OO"
<1> Ditto the STL.
<0> yeah
<1> (i.e., the containers and algorithms of the standard library)
<0> extensibility of streams isn't "object oriented"
<2> "I have argued that there are and must be useful techniques beyond objectoriented programming and design. However, to avoid being totally misunderstood, I would like to emphasize that I wouldnt attempt a serious project using a programming language that didnt at least support the cl***ical notion of objectoriented programming."
<1> Actually, it is. Streams are separate from containers and algorithms.
<2> So to Stroustrup a language not founded on OO is a no no
<1> That is not at all what that says.
<2> Solamente its in the conclusion
<2> You can read the rest of it
<1> You're making crap up.
<1> I've read the whole paper.
<2> Read it again
<1> "I wouldn't attempt..."
<1> What part of that confuses you?
<2> He can't contradict himself in 1 paper. Not with his reputation and that of the conference.
<1> Like I said, you're making crap up.
<2> Solamente explain how I am making crap up
<1> "I wouldn't attempt..." -> A clear personal preference
<2> lol
<1> "a serious project" -> A delineation of scope
<2> lolstc
<2> Be serious
<1> "support the cl***ical notion" -> A reference to his previous definition of what OO is and its utility
<1> I really hate to make an otherwise nice discussion all about your lack of rhetorical and logical skills.
<2> So if I were endowed with rhetorical and logical skills at par with your intellectual stature, I'll conclude from Stroustrup's statements that he actively considers C++ as predominantly not an OO programming language.
<1> You're the one that's equating "supports the cl***ical notion" with "founded on"
<4> In fairness, he's Romanian
<2> Well I just looked up and found that I used a wrong word. I shouldn't have used "founded on". I didn't mean it.
<4> That he knows English this well is grounds for acclaim
<2> I meant what he says: support
<5> JBlitzen ****s?
<2> JBlitzen: I'd like you and peterhu to makeup between yourself.
<2> Such sarcasm is not good for a long lasting intimate relationship
<4> It's okay, he's so desperate he never notices
<5> hold me
<5> hmm, i'm not sure how many constants defined for "comma" there can be
<4> Haha
<5> so far i've found 8
<1> You're such a desperate housewife, peterhu
<4> Haha
<5> some are "," and some are ','
<5> thing of beauty
<4> Nice
<1> Comma, comma, comma, comma, comma chamaeleon...
<1> There. That'll be in your head the rest of the day.
<6> wasn't that 'karma' not 'comma'?
<1> Tell him what he's won, Johnny!
<6> haha
<1> Gah, I hate it when I have a nice MP3 playlist going and I'm grooving on some code, and then an old voice mail message somehow finds its way into a set of Motley Crue tunes.
<1> Totally ruins your flow.
<5> hah
<5> and motley crue doesn't?
<5> you = freak
<1> It makes really good background noise.
<1> I end up paying too much attention if it's good cl***ical music.
<0> woot, just got off the phone with interview
<0> think i did well
<1> Groovy
<0> they're sending me a 2 hour 'engineering test', heh
<0> they were like when's a good time?
<5> i usually have CNN or some other news on in the background
<0> i said.... right now?
<5> i like talking
<5> does the test involve a cup and a porno mag?
<1> Only if you're working on GTA.
<1> Which reminds me of a bizarre headline I saw today: "*** workers call for boycott of 'Grand Theft Auto'"
<5> yeah that was on slashdot yesterday
<5> you = old news
<1> No, just my RSS aggregator.
<1> Slashdot is for MS-hating conspiracy weenies.
<3> meh, it's not that bad, if you ignore the ranting stories
<3> some of the comments are actually quite interesting
<1> "MS Releases Bug Patch; Women, Minorities Hardest Hit" <-- typical /.
<5> yeah, i find the comments hilarious though
<5> especially the +5 bull****
<1> Yeah, there are good articles.
<1> But the comments... hoo boy.
<3> most are crap, it does have serious echo
<3> but some are actually interesting
<3> it's vastly better than Digg
<5> 30 minutes til interview
<5> time to put my clown make-up on
<1> Heh... "Cum Feel the Noize" just popped up on the playlist (don't ask), and now I'm envisioning chimpanzees in a boardroom.
<1> I love those commercials.
<5> bah i got my refund by now last year
<5> hurry up feds
<1> You get a refund?
<5> yeah, not much
<5> now that we're in a higher income tax bracket, it's effectively 0
<1> I've been trying to make it so I owe a little.
<1> And dammit, they keep lowering my taxes.
<5> well, i carried over 2 grand from last year
<5> my father recommends that i leave some chump change around in case i ever sell stock or get hit with taxes i didn't expect
<5> this year, however, screw that =)
<5> i need that money right now
<5> and it worked out to a 2300 refund, so this year's is about 300
<7> what's the difference between a destructor and a deconstructor? if any?
<1> One's a correct name, and the other is just weird.
<5> the later is JBlitzen-speak
<5> dude it is so nice out
<5> it's like 65
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