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<0> Asriel not true
<1> When the fastest turnaround you can ever hope for ends up being 2 working days, that's not a useful stituation
<0> I used to lead a team in PK, and we were delivering good quality work at 8.5 USD/hr
<0> All costs included
<1> Well, then you're one of the rare teams
<0> Asriel contrary. Offshore team works while you sleep
<1> And you still have a huge time lag
<0> 12 or 13 hours, depending on daylight saving
<2> not always a time lag
<1> Generally. I've always had to deal with time lags, and it's very hard to have an actual conversation
<1> If you have to go back and forth a few times, what would have taken a couple of hours can take a week
<0> Maybe thats because of the language skills of the people hehe
<2> the only times I've done "remote development" it was between UK and west coast of US
<0> Its true that you wouldn't easily find anyone in PH who can talk like you and I
<0> But offshore works great if the people offshore are competent and comitted.
<0> And that goes for onshore people as well :D
<0> Which is just as unlikely
<1> Still not a model I'd pursue willingly
<3> true, this code easily could have been done on-shore
<3> not by anyone i'd want to keep employed at my company however
<3> also, a problem i see is that excellent developers are "encouraged" (pushed) into management or "architect" roles, and the actual soure is left to somewhat inexperienced developers
<3> as if management believes that a good blueprint is all you need
<0> That may happen in the future...
<1> the peter principle, alive and well
<1> probably the main reason I hope never to work for a "large" corporate entity
<1> except one run by mainly engineers
<0> Even engineers tend to become MBA types
<0> The incompetent ones
<3> that's why i miss my old team
<3> there were several 15+ year team members
<3> at least, at the company
<3> still not managers
<3> not even leads
<3> they were just excellent developers
<1> There should be parallel promotion hierarchys
<1> For engineering, management etc
<1> and management should not be an implicitally "higher value" role. It's just another job
<3> microsoft actually gets that, though it depends on your manager
<3> my manager thought, since he does, everyone wants to be a PUM (product unit manager) some day
<3> but i was just like "right now, i want to develop software"
<3> i don't know what i want 20 years from now
<3> but i'll let you know then
<1> The biggest problem is that at least 80% of people in management are incompetent in that role
<1> and then when projects get into trouble they...send in more management
<1> I might widen that to 80% of all roles are filled by incompetents.
<1> but I'm in a cynical mood today
<3> also, despite being C# code, these people use hungarian
<0> Asriel right on target
<3> arg
<3> h
<0> peterhu enjoy :D
<3> this has been the worst thing i've had to do to date, so it's good to have more experience that makes me a very bitter person
<0> I kind of reminds me of the idea floated by someone that if monkeys were given typewriters, how long will they take to produce the works of Shakespeare by random typing?
<1> easily calculated
<3> it was the best of times, it was the blurst of times
<1> I would bother, but no doubt someone on the internet already has
<0> I think the time is comparable with Indian developers working on a hotel reservation project.
<4> Hmm, not good - my eyes I almost closing of sleep :/
<3> sounds like the pefect state of mind for chess
<4> Hope I won't lose - heheh, have to play for the team (external).
<4> I always have my secret weapon: offer a draw in a totally lost position, causing my oponent to lose a valuable 2 minutes extra time, usually followed by a blunder because they can't think straight anymore after such a shameless attempt.
<5> if you play against young players...
<6> Well, I can definitely say that a VS 2005 installation is faster than a VS 2003 installation.
<6> And it's about the same speed as a VS 6 Enterprise installation.
<6> I've put all three onto my new box.
<2> Solamente did you have DVDs for all of those?
<6> Yeah
<2> Solamente how do you share source between those compilers? completely different "trees" in verson control?
<2> or how do you keep the .sln separate
<6> A library or executable is only built with one version of the compiler/IDE.
<6> So I have some things built in VC6 that I use from VS 2003 or VS 2005.
<2> ah, we're trying to migrate from 7.1 to 8.0 and having collisions on the .sln files
<6> That conversion hasn't begun in earnest yet.
<6> Here.
<2> because the production product is compiled w/ 7.1
<6> Gotta restart my office system. brb.
<3> mmm samoas
<3> it's like crack that's dealt by little girls
<3> that should be the girlscout's slogan
<6> I haven't seen any cookies around here.
<6> I'm pissed.
<3> that's because of your registered *** offender status
<6> Bring me cookies, and nobody gets hurt.
<3> wife doesn't like coconut
<3> so all four boxes are for me
<6> Coconut makes me nauseous.
<3> i'm not a gigantic coconut fan, but samoas are so good
<3> thin mints are good too
<6> I need to get the girls into Scouts so I'm closer to the distribution channel.
<6> Heh... this is interesting. A day after MS releases the beta for Office Live (which I found throughly unimpressive), Google's stock is up 14.65.
<6> I think the market knows something.
<6> Specifically, that MS is utterly clueless about all things web-related.
<0> Solamente ahem
<0> So far Google doesn't know tad about how to make money off the web
<3> where's beta 2 bitch?
<7> lol
<7> i think i come to this channel mostly for the humour :)
<0> Cantide then you must be pretty bored otherwise
<7> i am
<7> :P
<7> well actually after 12 hours work each day i need some kind of comic releif to keep me sane
<6> Okay, I'm looking at Google's Annual Report.
<0> Why do you work 12 hours?
<6> 2005... $399,119,000 net income.
<6> Looks like they're making some money.
<0> hehe...
<0> And cost?
<6> That *net* income.
<7> i'm a slave in africa ;P
<0> Umm.. whats the revenue?
<6> $3,189,223,000 revenue, $2,549,031,000 total costs and expenses.
<6> $225,632,000 on R&D
<0> And whats the breakup of income source?
<6> $246,300,000 on Sales & marketing (S&M)
<6> You can find this info for free, you know.
<0> Solamente but I prefer having you report to me on my command :D
<6> But aside from all that, my comment re: MS cluelessness is that they can't bring themselves to write a standards-based web site that'll work properly in any browser.
<6> Office Live only works in IE, and it generates crappy pseudo-HTML markup.
<6> Sure, you can view the output in Firefox or Opera, but that's it.
<6> Ditto for Windows Live Mail (which I'm also using in beta).
<6> There's simply no excuse for a company with the resources of MS to be utterless helpless when it comes to writing decent web apps.
<0> Well if they are doing something crappy, they are likely to get some feedback.
<0> And then fix it.
<6> Hasn't happened yet.
<6> MSN has ****ed for years.
<0> ?
<0> I think XBox 360 rocks -.-
<7> Solamente has a point :S
<8> unfortunately i keep getting this growing urge to buy an xbox 360 :/
<8> but they're still way expensive
<9> why dont you
<8> and/or hard to come by
<9> its worth the money
<8> it'll be worth the money when I don't pay as much, too
<8> (and after a couple versions of them come out)
<9> then you'll be pissed cause you didnt wait alittle longer for the new'est model
<3> pfft PC > Consoles
<6> Indeed.
<8> yeah, pc > consoles anyway
<3> real FPS players use a mouse
<8> nod
<3> even JBlitzen uses a mouse
<9> im not an fps player
<3> but man does JBlitzen sux0r
<6> My nephew the Ranger said about 90% of the games in the rec room are FPS.
<6> I guess you have to stay sharp.
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