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<0> http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0414061hooters1.html
<1> funny stuff vawjr.
<2> ugh
<3> do you know some good forum when I can learn about C ?
<0> #c
<2> Why don't you get a book
<0> but why would you want to learn C ?
<2> I don't think people would teach you C as patiently as a book will
<3> for my school
<3> there is school contents
<3> for alghorithms and i need c to participate
<0> oh well, that's really too bad
<3> why bad ??????
<0> IMO learning C for new code these days is pointless
<3> IMO - what it means ?
<3> and why pointless ?
<0> In My Opinion
<0> Noidea I see your 9th circuit is at it again...............http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-041406sidewalk_lat,0,1735011.story?coll=la-home-headlines
<0> pointless because C shouldn't be used for any new code
<3> yes but the basics in programming in C++ are there
<0> not really
<0> anyone who believes that learning C first is a benefit hasn't really looked at the situation
<3> why do you think so?
<0> why WOULD I think so
<3> because whole basics in C++ are in C
<0> what's your point?
<2> KaiTekk vawjrwrk is right
<0> that you should learn a very restrictive language (C) first?
<3> And C++ is still used langauge in OS coding
<3> and s o on
<2> You can search the web to find out why he is right
<3> I dont think that I should learn C at first
<3> I think that I should learn C before C++
<2> ...
<0> you are mistaken
<0> it will hinder your ablity to learn C++ later, and you will waste hours and hours over arrays and pointers
<3> well as far as i know, C++ has arrays and pointers to
<3> *too
<0> KaiTekk irrelevant
<3> Am I wrong ?
<0> yes
<3> Does C++ has pointers
<3> ?
<1> I suppose it depends on the kind of person you are KaiTekk
<0> because you THINK that you know best how to learn
<1> If you learn C first
<0> you don't know enough to know how best to learn
<1> you're going to learn a lot of stuff that can get you out of learning C++ stuff
<1> the better alternatives
<1> it took me a long time before I stopped using things like atoi, and sprintf and the like from C
<1> because I knew them off hand
<3> well I dont want to learn C deeply, really...
<0> then don't learn it at all
<3> I need for my high school contests
<1> In fact, I spent a lot of time writing my own templated data types when I learned about templates
<4> Noidea: You actually _used_ atoi? Ick.
<1> writing my own lists
<1> and AVL trees and whatnot.
<3> they offer to learn C or Pascal for contests
<1> when all that stuff is provided for me in C++
<0> who the hell is running contests in C ?
<1> so, you learn all this stuff in C
<1> then you have to rededicate yourself to push forward and learn the C++ stuff as well.
<3> well they use it in alghorithms
<1> and not just say, I can get by with what I know in C.
<1> it's very easy to end up using C++ as just C with cl***es.
<3> and does C++ has pointers ?
<0> of course it has them
<5> KaiTekk: Yes it has them.
<3> then why you say that the time ill spend learning pointers in C is useless?
<0> I said you will waste hours and hours
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<0> because in C pointers are the ONLY way to do some things
<0> VaranG|aN english!!
<4> You'll waste hours and hours learning pointers and arrays in C, that you'll have to spend just as much time learning in C++, and this is an argument against C?
<6> sorry
<6> mistake
<0> Bitrot_ by the time you get to pointers in C++ (where you NEED them) you will have enough background to make learning them easier
<7> VaranG|aN: vawjr will get all Samuel L. Jackson on you.
<0> jbatista his role in "The Red Violin" ??
<4> I wouldn't bet on that. Once you've learned vectors and the like, you've also learned that you don't need to **** around with allocation, validating boundaries, etc. All very good ways to end up doing *exactly* the wrong thing when it comes to pointers.
<4> By contrast, if you learn pointers and arrays, moving to container cl***es is trivial.
<0> Bitrot_ most of the time you don't even need the allocation ****
<0> and the allocation is VERY difficult to get corrrect
<7> vawjrwrk: I never saw that. I was thinking Pulp Fiction.
<4> Yes, it is difficult. Even more so if you've learned the habit that says the compiler will do it for you, along with range checking, etc.
<0> Bitrot_ when do you NEED pointers and allocation???
<0> only if you're interfacing w/ **** that already exists
<8> can someone look at: http://noidea128.org/sourcefiles/16160.html
<4> Which is to say, pretty goddamn often, yes.
<5> Bitrot_: Frankly, instead of thinkin about pointers you should just start to learn c++. vawjrwrk is a professional and years over he is programming, you should listen him anyway.
<8> and help me figure out why im stupid
<0> Bitrot_ wihich is to say almost never
<4> davsn: And I'm not?
<5> i don't know you.
<9> Actually even when interfacing with existing stuff, you rarely need to allocate stuff
<0> ****, MFC crap and printf
<4> Pretty quick to ***ume, though, weren't you?
<9> At least not with new/malloc
<0> tik why are you ****ing with that stuff?
<9> acu_reg_path + acu_profile
<9> That looks bad
<5> Btw C has not cl***es, so with C++ you can develop your applications more readable convenient designs.
<4> davsn: Readability is a matter of writing the code clearly, not a matter of OO versus procedural design. I've seen a lot of OO code that is absolute crap, from a readability perspective.
<9> davsn, putting your sentences from #c# together with the ones from #c++
<9> You might want to stop talking ;)
<5> and it's easier at future to optimize and maintenance of your C++ code.
<5> MrAshe :)
<4> davsn: Really? What magic of C++ makes it easier to optimize C++ code than C code?
<5> yeah ya are right probably.
<0> davsn might as well, C fanatics won't learn
<9> My malloc is faster than your new!!!!!LOLOLOLOL
<4> davsn: C++ does have benefits. OO code makes it easier to build reusable, reliable components. The inclusion of standard containers and algorithms means less reinventing of the wheel. Managed allocation and the like means less time spent on housekeeping code, more spent on "meat" code. Basically, C++ allows a developer to be more efficient. That doesn't make it magic.
<9> OO is overrated, har
<0> that sounds pretty "magic" to me
<4> "C fanatics"? Hmm. As I recall, this all started when someone was ***erting that there wasn't any point learning C for new code. You know, a C++ fanatic. He just got called on it, and the best he could offer in response was to call the _same thing_ "irrelevant" in C++, but somehow an argument against C. :)
<0> and given that you can write pretty much the same stuff in C++ as C, why not just forget the C and use C++ ?
<0> Bitrot_ speak plainly
<1> mr. Peanut is evil
<0> I said there isn't any point in learning C, correct, you have yet to count it
<1> He's a giant peanut trying to convince you to eat little peanuts
<0> err, counter it
<1> that's like me having you over to dinner and putting out a big bowl of babies.
<9> Bitrot_: I'm fanatic only about porn
<0> Bitrot_ if you wanna stick with a substandard language, fine
<0> it's simply not as good a language, and there is no reason for its continued existance
<4> Apparently, vawr can't read, either, or he'd have seen me pointing out that C++ does, in fact, have its benefits.
<7> Noidea: Exactly. That's like the premise behind that one M&Ms commercial.
<0> I responted that it seemed "pretty magic" to me
<4> Watch this: he's about to kickban me for pointing out his own balls-ups, isn't he? :)
<9> Such a lame attempt to prevent a ban
<0> and where did I go "balls up" ??
<9> "if I say he's going to ban me, he won't dare ban me cause he'll be ashamed!!"
<0> me? shamed??????? lololololololol
<0> hasn't happened yet
<9> Lie
<9> Remember
<9> You were 5 years old
<9> You lost your pants
<0> oh, ...... then
<9> And that girl you liked so much
<0> ummmmmmm
<9> She saw everything
<9> I know, it was centuries ago
<7> Ashe: You are an agitator.
<9> I'm agitating Undernet so much it breaks down
<2> all u C+= prgrammers r n00bz!!111 I am suprime C geneous. I rock LOL!!!11!!!
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