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<0> so you are basically saying that having an (abstract) cl*** containing its own attributes, pure virtual functions and virtual functions is silly ?
<1> getchar() function will work in my case ?
<2> Antrix: no
<2> I said that an 'interface' will never contain its own attributes.
<0> ok i see :)
<0> but it would only be an interface if it only had pure virtuals right?
<2> yes
<0> ok sorted
<2> interface is a java term that I just learn from whatshisname
<2> *too lazy to scroll up*
<0> hehe :D
<2> learned
<3> who's whatshisname? is there a java channel on undernet?
<0> i figure C++ has multiple inheritance instead of interface support
<2> Of course not, undernet is specifically anti-java - didn't you read the AUP?
<3> um.
<3> nope.
<3> well then. you probably dont wanna hear what the avant-garde definition of an interface is these days.
<0> tell us
<0> :o
<3> well,
<3> an interface is a contract.
<3> that one object offers to all its users.
<3> that guarantees that it will fulfill certain responsibilities.
<4> that's not exactly avant-garde. Thats been the definition of interface for as long as I can remember
<3> oh.
<3> well it annoyed the heck out of me when i first heard it.
<4> what other sensible definition could you give?
<5> it-traffiku.. jekk nimxux fuq ix-xellug jew il-lemin jibda wkoll jigi minn Brussels..... mela!
<5> errr sorry!
<6> hi
<3> well,
<3> i was happy when i thought an interface was just a definition of some functionality that an object would implement.
<4> how is that really different from "contract"? All that's happened is that "definition" has been replaced by "declaration" in your statement
<3> when i heard 'contract' and 'responsibility', i felt really uncomfortable.
<6> please, how do I define a subrange for a type (course in c++) , for example a type that only contains values from 1 to 40 ?
<7> int i; and check if it's within your range ;)
<4> I suppose you could write a wrapper object that rejects ***ignments outside of the range given
<8> make constructor check the range.
<2> Real Programmers don't use range checking.
<6> is there no way to easily do that; i know in pascal there is the way <type rangedvar=1..40;>
<7> template <size_t const min, size_t const max> cl*** rangedtype { };
<7> Time to write it, Len48 ;)
<4> no, no easy way from standard C++ that I know
<4> though writing the wrapper type wouldn't really be hard
<6> k; it is only to prevent from errors.. so i will have to take care myself
<7> template <size_t const min, size_t const max> cl*** rangedtype : public _rangedtype<min,max,min >= 0,max-min> { }; <= with some more templates you could even optimize the size and all ;)
<6> yeah ok; tu
<2> Real Programmers don't comment their code. If it was hard to write, it should be hard to understand.
<2> lol@ You are in big trouble when you start writing software to impress girls. -- Bruce Ellis (The Hitchhiker's Guide to VMS, 1990)
<7> And if it's written properly, reading the code is fine for a documentation
<2> Within thirty years, we will have the technological means to create superhuman intelligence. Shortly after, the human era will be ended. -- Vernor Vinge (VISION-21 Symposium, NASA, 1993)
<7> Hm, 17 years left
<2> I wish, but I'm convinced it will take more than 100 years from now. Probably even a few hunderd.
<9> I wonder how you can actually perform any meausurements, if you don't have a plan how to do it
<2> It more likely that all of humanity will become so dependend on "technology", including computers, WITHOUT that computers are super-human intelligent, that there is already a major danger to become extinct, just by some failure to keep our infrastructure intact. Ie,... some terrorists blow up the right factories...
<10> What if human intelligence were augmented with computer hardware?
<7> Then an atari would be sufficient, considering the average IQ
<11> what if? i think genetic modification would be more viable
<2> Then you get two kind of people... those who can afford it, and those who can't.
<10> MrAshe: LoL
<7> Those two kinds already exist
<2> Yes, but the difference would larger then.
<10> Run: We need people to refill the coke machines.
<11> mmm coke
<7> You can be more "beautiful" if you have $$$
<7> It's the same if you can be "smarter"
<11> -a-cola, or -aine?
<7> Anyway Gattaca is a nice movie
<10> MmmCake: Imagine a math coprocessor or memory based on a dbms.
<12> umm
<12> cochlear implants.
<11> like insta-google?
<11> and wikipedia?
<7> Why do you think your memory is not based on a db?
<12> cochlear implants are computer hardware that's implanted in the brain.
<10> MmmCake: Cola, of course. >.>
<12> or outside the ear if you're ghetto
<2> Now you can keep up the illusion that people from certain suburbs still have a chance, if they work hard enough. But what if you need 'equipment' from birth that is not necessary to survive, but too expensive to be affordable for your child? I think those children won't get it, and they will not have ANY chance of a future later on.
<11> if you are George Bush you say cockular implants
<12> true.
<11> Run, so? the untermensches will be dominated by the ubermensches.. no different than most of human history.. i'm ok with it
<13> Run, you ever read Huxley's stuff?
<11> i mean not ok with it, but i see it as inevitable since we are a rather crude species
<2> However... I think that a society is a boiling pot of evolution, and the 90% trash-people is a natural part of it. It won't work if you try to reduce that ... hmm.
<12> a pastor was trying to talk to me about huxley yesterday.
<13> trash people are imortant, but if 90% workedi ntrash who would dco the rest of the jobs?
<12> cochlear implants are ****in crazy though
<12> trash people aren't important.
<11> well maybe one day there won't be a need for labor.. machines will do it all
<12> our town just eliminated the jobs of many through automation
<2> cn28h: I meant, people who don't really contribute to anything.
<13> NineVolt, who picks up your trash then for the landfill?
<12> now we have only one crew per truck.
<13> ah
<12> by one crew i mean one person.
<2> Ie, you need 100 people to grow up before you have another scientist.
<12> the driver. the truck has a robot arm to lift, dump, and replace trash receptacles.
<11> tbe idea that people should contribute to something becomes obsolete once you have machines doing all conceivable work for humans
<12> exactly.
<7> s/another scientist/another not-that-smart scientist
<11> people will be free to chill and party and play games or whatever they consider fun
<12> i look forward to it.
<11> and.. the games that come out will be made by people that are doing it for fun not for profit so they will actually be GOOD unlike EA games
<12> ea > *
<2> Also, you need probably 10,000 people per scientist, for the scientist to still have food and a house while doing his science work.
<12> it's in the game.
<12> you definitely don't -need- 10000 people per scientist.
<11> Run, that's true of our current technology, but if you haev machines providing every resource we would ever need.. then everyone can theoreticallybe a scientist!
<12> exactly.
<11> EA, challenge everything.. including your ability to put up with our crap
<7> A dumb scientist
<2> MmmCake: But for that you need real A.I. imho.
<7> Most people are dumb****s
<12> you don't really need real ai.
<13> some people are not cut out to be scientists
<12> you could just run simulations of human brains in silicon.
<13> most of these people won't deny it
<2> MrAshe: So, what we need is a test, ..err, a DNA simulation, and determine who can get kids who can't :) ;)
<11> yeah well maybe we will have real AI.. i mean.. technology from like 10,000 years from now will seem like magic to us from our time..
<7> That, or kill people who're too stupid when they're 20
<11> haha
<7> Or send them to the mines
<11> why?
<2> Use robots for the lower levels of society, and then bread our own super-humans to be the 'top'
<7> Harvest coal
<11> why not live and let live?
<7> Because idiots are annoying
<11> who cares if most of humanity is stupid? so what?
<11> so they should die?
<2> MmmCake: cause Earth is Full, and dieing?
<7> Yup, they should
<12> i think idiots are generally less annoying than geniuses.
<7> That's called evolution
<7> You know, game of life and such
<11> well earth won't be full.. i bet you a million pesos that once we figure out how to do away with labor we will also at the same time realize we don't need such huge populations and somehow we'll institute some types of population controls
<11> there will be like 100,000 people int he world
<11> each living like a king
<12> hahaha
<12> that'd be horrible.
<12> what bad, bad planning.
<12> look, if all labor necessary to maintain society has been automated, it's likely that colonization of other worlds would be feasible.
<7> Let's start by killing NineVolt
<7> And not pollute other worlds with stupidity
<11> i agree with ninevolt -- if i were throwing a party i would much rathre invite 100 idiots because thent he party will be more fun.. invite 100 geniuses and it will be a snoozefest
<7> That's only if you're an idiot and not a genius, MmmCake
<11> NineVolt, yeah perhaps that is so true ninevolt
<11> heh
<7> If you're a genius it'll be a flamewar, much more fun
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