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<0> there's no other way we could've had such support for an iraq invasion
<1> I thnk I spelled that correctly
<0> do you remember those few months?
<1> very well
<2> Even if you work under the ***umption that the government did it, why would they also fly one into the pentagon? They've have created just as much fear with the wtc and the plane that crashed in the middle of nowhere
<0> every time bush was talking about iraq, saddam, wmd's, there would always come up a mention of the 9/11 attacks
<3> i will read about it :)
<0> even though there was no link between them whatsoever.
<4> it was designed to stand vawjr
<1> and I'm personally convinced the the U.S. government intentionally destroyed evidence by destroying the buildings "because they were causing such psychic trauma to the citizens of OKC"
<5> saddam trained terrorists
<4> or, to survive an airplane impact
<4> just a smaller plane
<0> do you remember public opinion at the time? or even today?
<4> designed to withstand the largest planes of the era it was built
<0> way too many people still ***ociate 9/11 with iraq.
<0> WAY too many people.
<1> Noidea128 right, they didn't know about planes that could carry that much fuel
<0> also, modern jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to melt the steel supports in the WTC.
<2> I thought it did pretty well, in the circumstances
<1> NineVolt w/ 17 Saudi's on the planes, that difficult to accept
<0> but lots of melted supports were found in the rubble.
<4> Anyway, what's your theory NineVolt?
<0> it's not my theory :P
<4> who destroyed the towers if not the planes?
<0> it's possible, plausible even that it was a cia demolitions team.
<2> If there was some other agent used by your secret force that planned all this, it surely would have spread all around the WTC site
<0> s/cia/any us agency/
<4> haha
<2> and some lab somewhere could have sampled the stuff
<4> do you know how long it takes to set up a demolition of a building?
<2> It's just all too complex. It doesn't make sense
<4> and, are you aware that when they do demo buildings
<4> they blow them from the top down
<0> do you know how hard it is to collapse a building like that into its footprint? with a plane collision? twice?
<2> the simplist explaination (insane malcontents) is mcuh more plausible
<4> they don't just blow the bottom out and let it fall.
<2> From a high impact point? Not that hard
<0> you don't just fly into it.
<0> then why would a controlled demo be any harder?
<2> If you have kids, build yourself a big tower (6 foot+). And then punch the top out
<0> just blow out the top.
<4> there was a lot of very hot, burning fuel
<0> no, it doesn't work like that.
<2> Controled demo's are harder because they *have* to be right.
<2> even 1/100 error rate wouldn't really be acceptable
<0> i'm not claiming that the planes weren't the cause of the collapse.
<0> i'm saying i don't know.
<4> and, demolition of a building that size requires quite a bit of explosives
<2> There was a great guy in the UK (Fred Dibnah, sadly died recently) who used to go around demolishing buildings and towers using victorian methods
<1> well, we all KNOW the planes were there
<4> and, generally days to set up
<0> it seems unlikely that they'd be 2 for 2. crashing planes and getting perfect collapse.
<2> single fires, no explosives, just him
<2> And they used to fail predictably virtually every time
<4> not hours
<4> and, why would the CIA blow up buildings?
<0> also it seems unlikely that the US government would perpetrate an attack against its own citizenry like that.
<4> why would the CIA kill American citizens?
<0> all i'm saying is i don't know.
<1> NineVolt I suspect the "perfect collapse" was because of how well the buildings _were_ designed
<1> Noidea128 "Reichstag fire"
<4> ? Not familiar with that vawjr
<6> how true is the "myth" that all jews that worked at the WTC weren't in them during the attacks?
<4> anyway, as I recall, they weren't perfect collapses either
<1> Germany 1937-8?
<0> yuy : i've heard it from many sources, but that doesn't really mean anything.
<4> debris fell everywhere
<0> no, they fell straight into their footprints.
<4> debris went everywhere
<0> debris everywhere, indeed.
<0> but not towers everywhere.
<4> a tall building that collapses from its top floor is going to fall pretty much straight down.
<0> they didn't topple over, not even above the impact point.
<4> do you think it would tip over or something?
<0> the impacts weren't at the top floors.
<4> they were close to the tops
<4> you melt the supports
<4> it's gonna come straight down.
<0> the fuel doesn't burn hot enough to melt the supports.
<3> but why should the cia do a perfect demolition of the buildings? if they wanted to apear as a terorsit atack they should have put explosives sutch as the buildings should fall wrong
<3> not like in the demolition
<0> and it wouldn't come straight down, it would collapse on the side where the damage was sustained.
<3> and no one will suspect them
<0> from the impact point down, it might collapse straight down.
<0> but it's unlikely that the top would.
<3> i think it was from the building design
<3> it makes no sense
<4> the impact didn't break supports
<4> it was burning fuel that did the building in.
<4> the fire was everywhere
<1> _BUFU_ I concur, and the guy who architected the buildings says the same thing
<0> _BUFU_ : indeed, but them perhaps the cost would be too great. remember, the american public is pretty dumb, very very very few would question the situation regardless of how unlikely it really was.
<0> again, jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to melt the steel supports.
<2> but it only takes a smart few to blow open a conspiricy with irrefutable evidence
<4> then
<0> so how did the supports melt?
<3> but it wasn;t just the fuel
<1> NineVolt that's an ***ertion you cannot support
<2> The fact that it's not happened implies that the evidence is pretty shakey
<4> why even bother bringing the buildings down at all?
<3> the isolation
<0> i can't, but that physics professor can.
<0> and did.
<3> furniture
<4> do you think it would have made a difference?
<0> i'm sure the chemical properties of commercial grade jet fuels are publicly available.
<0> also the steel used in the construction of the towers.
<1> NineVolt they are...but it wasn't fule alone that was burning
<0> indeed, it couldn't have been.
<4> and, you don't have to liquify the steel anyway
<3> the architect said that the steel things that supported the building were coverd in some isolation thing to prevent corosion
<4> you just have to weaken it.
<3> that thing started burning
<4> it may not have been hot enough to MELT the steel
<3> +fuel+everything in there
<4> but it would certainly be hot enough to weaken it.
<3> yeah...
<0> perhaps.
<1> once you drop one floor, everything below is gonna go
<0> i'm not denying that it could've been exactly what everyone thinks it was.
<4> conspiracy theories are stupid.
<0> are they?
<1> as for above, not sure what the sonic shock going up the main supports will do to the top
<0> what about pearl harbor?
<1> what about it?
<4> the japanese didn't bomb us?
<1> you mean the Roosevelt knew??
<0> recently decl***ified documents show that roosevelt knew.
<1> err, that
<0> and the information wasn't p***ed on to military commanders.
<0> and indeed, without a pearl harbor, we wouldn't have been able to go after japan.
<4> as I recall, in that case, there were a lot of reasons we didn't respond
<0> seems like a striking parallel to 9/11 - iraq
<4> there'd be no reason to have our pacific fleet destroyed in harbor
<1> NineVolt except we didn't con the Iraqi's into doing the work
<4> the Japanese attacking a fleet on alert would have taken us to war just as quickly.
<4> that's the whole basis of the theory
<1> NoideaLT I'm not so sure
<0> not nearly with as much support.
<0> pearl harbor -really- galvanized the public.
<0> -everyone- was gung-ho about taking out the japanese.
<1> NineVolt so my parents rell me
<4> you don't think it would have done the same had they attacked us while we were ready?
<1> err, tell me
<3> maybe they knew now...but dind't realise what could happen
<4> they'd have still attacked us.
<3> i mean the damage
<0> just like after 9/11 -everyone- was gung-ho about going after... saddam? :P
<4> the Taliban
<1> NineVolt except thouse w/ more than 10 braincells
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