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<0> well in sydney any way
<1> right now i do part time contract work designing hardware and writing firmware, but... i want something full time
<1> i live in the middle of nowhere => cheap
<0> ahahah, the worst thing about being in a city, it the mofoing traffic
<2> i spent a few weeks in sydney; beautiful city
<2> well, i get the traffic without the city
<2> i live in DC
<0> are you in australia now
<1> doesnt DC have the highest murder rate in the US?
<2> where it has some of the nations worst traffic, but no big city
<2> used to
<2> it fell off a bit
<2> moforila: nope, was just vacationing there
<0> hows that patriot act going for you guys
<1> excellent
<2> hasn't really impacted my life at all, as near i can tell



<0> well it all starts out that way
<1> how if i forget what my wife asks me to pick up from the store via phone I can just ask the FBI for a transcript
<2> sure, but it's hard to care until it does
<0> US seems to be full of these church crazyz, and new born christians
<3> Yes, but pretty soon the "all citizens will be turned into reptilian aliens" clause kicks in.
<2> oh, we have our share, that's for sure
<2> term is born again, btw =)
<2> new born would imply they can mentally spar with JBlitzen
<0> i love that guy, forget his name, somthing like kent hovid, talking about how evolution is a lie ect ect
<1> i dont like how people get so upset when someone bad mouths the government these days "you shouldnt say that in a post 9/11 world with terrorists and gays trying to attack us!"
<0> ahahahaha
<2> the gays murdered my father and raped my mother
<1> whatever, the US is based around people not liking their government and wanting reform
<0> its all the gays fault
<0> love it
<2> it's impossible to imagine liking one's government
<1> plenty of people do, although their so hard headed and gullible it's not like they can even think on their own anyway
<1> it's weird
<0> yes its kent hovind, this guy is great
<1> they believe whatever they hear, but they refuse to believe reason
<3> When have you heard that the patriot act was a good thing, Asmodee?
<2> moforila: i doubt he holds a candle to pat robertson
<1> JBlitzen: well it protects us from terrorists and gays of course
<3> When have you heard that the patriot act was a good thing, Asmodee?
<0> let me get a link for you guys
<3> Because, I'm just thinking, all I hear is how bad the patriot act is.
<3> So if I believed everything I heard, I'd believe that.
<3> But, I don't.
<1> and i like being able to ask the FBI for a transcript of my phone calls, so i can use it when i tell my gf that she told me to buy milk but didnt mention the eggs you whore!
<3> You do.
<0> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8140526698115668682&q=dr+hovind
<3> So that just sort of makes me wonder.
<3> The FBI can't give you a transcript of your phone calls unless they've got a warrant to tap them.
<1> they make the calls anyway, and im paying for those transcripts so i should be able to get a copy :P
<1> freedom of information act!
<2> or you're calling a foreign phone number
<2> apparently
<3> They make the calls?
<3> What?
<1> err
<0> its there like a timelimt for this act, or is it just going to stick till you over turn it
<1> they tap the calls anyway
<3> khan, if you're calling a foreign phone number, it'll be tapped anyway by the foreign government or by an intermediary.
<2> moforila: it was recently extended
<1> moforila: well it was supposed to have expired, but they extended it
<0> sorry, dont know how your goverment works
<0> for how much longer?
<2> right, the difference i don't expect the foreign governments to abide by our constitution
<1> moforila: laws/acts dont always have time limits, but this one did
<2> +is
<3> Uh, our constitution doesn't protect international activity
<3> I believe you're thinking of the United Federation of Planets Constitution.
<3> I understand how you could be confused
<2> it should protect a united states citizen from his or her government if he or she is placing the call from within the united states
<3> No it shouldn't, because it's international activity.
<3> And, incidentally, phones didn't exist in 1776.
<3> On the other hand, letters did.
<3> And letters were interceptable back then if they were to a foreign power.
<2> wait, the constitution can be outdated?
<3> But I guess none of this matters, because it's all about what we hear, not what we know.
<2> shh, don't tell that to your second amendment



<0> aite, thanks for the help, il leave you guys now, need to finsh of some work
<3> Oh, I see, you don't like the second amendment, so the historical underpinning of the constitution altogether goes out the window.
<0> cya later
<2> well, perhaps the higher court will weigh in on this subject
<3> That's interesting, because clearly the first amendment didn't address the internet.
<3> Or maybe you were just making a joke to distract yourself from having to consider a good point.
<2> where was the point?
<2> and i don't really care about guns one way or the other; what i find a little humorous is that you say "but the constitution didn't think about that, way back then!", when clearly the 2nd amendment, in intent and language, is horribly outdated by modern standards
<2> you know, the whole well regulated militia thing
<2> arming the people to protect themselves against foreign governments and their own
<2> not muggers
<3> More digression, I see.
<3> In 1790, if you sent a letter to someone in Prussia, it could be intercepted at sea and read, as far as I know.
<3> By agents of the US government.
<2> do you know how you tap a phone line for one particular call and not for another?
<3> Uh, yes, actually.
<3> But that's not your point, of course.
<3> Your question is how we tap international calls and not national calls.
<3> Well, let's think real hard about that one.
<3> When you call France, does the call p*** through any tappable medium between here and France that's not in the US?
<3> Well, if it doesn't, then how does it get to France?
<3> Magic?
<3> The magical teleporting phone call?
<3> Maybe it uses a wormhole
<1> i really need to start communicating with foreign agents via telepathy
<3> Homokhan SG-1
<2> are you implying they tapped the phone line outside of US territory?
<3> Well, I don't think they have to, legally.
<3> But I think it'd be easier that way.
<3> Couple underwater cables, some satellite receives, bingo
<3> +r
<3> It certainly makes more sense to do it that way than to tap 4000000000 copper wires within the US.
<3> IF it were illegal to tap the calls domestically, which as far as I know, it isn't, that would raise the question as to whether a satellite dish in the US could be used to tap satellite traffic
<3> Which I think would be okay, but sort of irrelevant.
<3> We certainly have the technology to tap underwater cables, been doing it for decades.
<3> What do you think them big hatches on subs are for
<3> But that's just a guess based on what little I can imagine about how international communications work.
<3> I mean, what part of all that seems unreasonable?
<3> Which is the part where I should say "wow, that's a violation of my civil rights"
<3> Or laugh at it and say "gee, that Bush, there he goes again".
<3> As far as we know, the attorney general's office has p***ed off on the tapping in progress, and if they say it's okay, do you really expect any president to dispute them, when his job ISN'T doing legal research that's usually ***igned to a summer intern?
<3> It's not like they flew this way under the radar.
<3> In fact, as far as I know, it compares very favorably to Echelon or whatever was running under Slick
<3> But hey, so long as we keep hearing that it's a threat to civil liberties, that's what matters.
<2> i don't expect bush to know the intricate details of everything he does; he has advisors for a reason. i didn't state this was bush's doing. however, if the various legal challenges to the program are successful, i expect some sort of accountability, at least in the justice department
<3> What we hear, not what we know.
<2> (with respect to the NSA program)
<3> If any legal challenge is successful, it can only be because the interpretation of the laws and constitution change
<3> Not because someone rubbing his hands together in the top floor of Fort Meade said "hey, let's hope they don't remember this statute"
<4> anyone around that know c++ builder /
<3> The only person who could be held in any way accountable would be the lawyers who were consulted
<3> Including people in the attorney general's office
<3> Quanta, maybe, ask anyway
<4> 1. in builder 1 ... how can i connect to mysql ... :(
<3> But that's all besides the point, khan, because the media and the rest of the hippies aren't shouting "let's hold a summer intern accountable", they're saying "Bush is wiretapping you!111!!!111!!"
<5> There's a lib called mysql++
<4> 2. if that doesn't work ... how can i execute a command as in: mysql -u -p -e"whatever it has to do"
<4> ?
<5> CreateProcess
<3> Nah, like ashe said, you should be able to use a library of some kind to connect directly to a database, Quanta.
<4> in builder6 .. i've used it .. and works like a charm ... but i must use builder 1 and ... there i haven't even seen how to connect
<4> thank you .. i will try that now
<5> The lib works the same with every compiler
<4> i will try now
<4> donwloading it
<6> i was able to connect to a wireless network maybe someone from nextdoor is broadcasting a wireless... if i use a website through this network can that guy perform a man-in-middle attack? thx
<3> No, but you'd be violating federal law
<3> Actually, yes
<6> say if i use mail.yahoo.com, can he snoop into my p***word and login if i use the secure option?
<3> And anyone within 200 yards could monitor your activity
<6> i mean the one with the padlock icon at the status bar
<7> you'd be violating a federal law, why do you care about your p***word
<6> what federal law?


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