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<0> now i am in university and want to go along it
<1> erm, that's a bad habit as an engineer or programmer.. using an inferior tool just becasue you are used to it
<0> notepad...um...that would not give erorr warnings would it?
<2> no, but your compiler would.
<2> edit in notepad, then type cl /EHsc yourfile.cpp
<2> (at a command prompt)
<0> without installing any software? NineVolt_?
<2> you need to install cl.exe and link.exe
<2> which are free downloads from ms
<0> ah ok
<2> http://msdn.microsoft.com/visualc/vctoolkit2003/
<2> ****s, i think they stopped the 2003 one.
<2> now it's 2005, which i think comes with the microsoft IDE
<0> i still choose borland
<2> in which case nevermind, you're probably better off with borland :P
<0> i will think for other when i get into higher level
<0> i am in initial stages
<2> IDE's are horrible. i can never find -any- of the options i need.
<0> notepad is just pff paper
<2> exactly.
<0> you have to run and blah blah blah
<0> in ide you get every thing in single place
<2> but the compiler options are all easily accessible
<2> cl /?
<2> they're all listed right there, no menus to search through, none of that.
<2> same with the linker, link /?
<2> much, much easier :P
<2> plus notepad doesn't butcher your indentation.
<0> Minimum requirements: Windows 95/98/Me/NT/2000
<0> :S
<0> i have xp
<0> will it work?
<2> i write really really neat code, but no ide gets along with my indentation convention.
<2> it should work, i have no idea.
<3> H-1 sticking with borland may be a losing battle
<0> lol
<2> windows xp didn't exist when borland turbo c++ came out :P
<0> hey
<0> do you know
<0> you cant give con name to any folder in xp
<0> try it out
<3> NineVolt_ what indentation scheme do you use
<0> microsoft and bill are unanswerable
<3> H-1 nobody ****ing cares
<2> i don't have windows xp, it's an inferior os.
<3> NineVolt_ inferior to what?
<2> everything except winME
<0> lol
<0> that depends from person to person
<0> win xp is latest
<3> idjits
<2> i'd much rather run 2k3, 2k, 98se, 95, or 98. in that order of preference.
<0> i mean
<4> Off to office
<0> newer than me
<4> NineVolt_ so you'd rather stick with inferior tools eh?
<2> speaking of which, i almost messed up the computer setup at my work...
<2> inferior tools? :P
<5> NineVolt_ what's wrong with DOS? :)
<2> look, i've used visual c++ before. it takes me significantly longer to write code in it.
<0> you can use C++ in your story book
<2> it's always trying to move my indents, to suggest autocompletions. NO.
<2> i should've said visual studio, sorry.
<2> in any case, the only feature that's lacking from notepad is an auto-jump-to-error
<2> but i can still ctrl-g, line number, enter
<6> Lol
<0> notepad is for writing
<0> not for programming
<2> H-1 : you have a lot of learning ahead of you.
<0> lol
<0> yes
<2> $20, $25 if i'm lucky.
<5> i can hook you up Pilum
<6> Hehe.
<2> i know several people that have an irrational hatred of visual studio besides myself :P
<6> Irrational is the word.
<2> it really does slow me down.
<2> plus the options menus are unnecessarily idiotic.
<0> monica potter
<4> NineVolt_ you need to get over your phobia
<4> and the useful part of VS isn't the editor, it's the debugger
<4> and you never said what your indentation scheme is that it cannot do
<2> ah
<2> two spaces for almost everything.
<2> one for access modifiers and cases.
<4> and you don't use the options menus much more than once per solution
<0> NineVolt_ i am dling it
<2> yea, but that once per solution ends up amounting to indefinite amounts of time. i can literally not find options in those menus.
<2> it's not that it takes me a long time, i just can't find them. at all.
<7> what options are you looking for?
<7> I have to say I don't like visual studio that much - it makes too much noise when there are no errors
<7> there are lots of little things wrong with it
<7> but you can correct some of them with macros
<2> i dunno, none at the moment :P
<2> i haven't used visual studio in years.
<2> well i did for a few minutes a couple months ago, it still irritated the crap out of me.
<7> what do you normally use?
<2> notepad and visual c++
<2> i have other 'programmers' text editors, i don't appreciate them much though.
<2> syntax highlighting is useless to me.
<8> it looks nicer tho, at least you can enjoy the colors
<2> heh, my point exactly :P
<2> indeed, i need to get some practice at using debuggers.
<8> you're not using a debuger?
<2> might be reason enough to try visual studio for real one of these days.
<2> heh, not really :P
<8> heh, it's the most important feature of an IDE :)
<8> that makes it an IDE
<2> not really, you don't need the debugger to make an ide.
<8> and what do you do when you get errors?
<2> i fix them?
<2> vc++ tells you what line they're on.
<2> notepad, ctrl-g, line number, enter.
<8> not compiling errors
<8> bugs
<2> i throw in some debug code in the area where i think they're happening.
<2> the process is recursive until i localize them.
<8> heh and you recompile every time you add some more debug code :)
<2> yup. in the past it has served me well.
<2> but now i have a program that runs for a few hours and then crashes.
<2> if i add debug couts, it'll take days for it to get to that point :P
<2> a debugger would've been priceless there.
<8> check for leaks
<2> i doubt it's a leak.
<2> it'd die in seconds, minutes tops. not hours.
<8> if it runs ok for a couple of hours and then it dies it may be a leak
<2> even if it only leaks one bit per iteration, it dies after like 10^20 iterations.
<2> i don't have that much memory man :P
<8> heh, maybe it isn't dying because of the leak
<2> if you leak 10^20 bits, you're dying.
<8> there could be a leak like 4 bytes in a function called once/hour
<2> way, way before you get to that point even :P
<8> and that could cause the crash
<2> no functions are called that rarely.
<2> it takes i think 50ms for a complete iteration.
<2> roughly.
<8> in vs you'll get the calling stack
<2> or 50us, i don't remember.
<8> after it crashes
<2> yea, right now i have -no idea- where it's crashing.
<2> if i put a couple cout's in the main loop area, that's a couple outputs per iteration...
<2> it would slow the execution incredibly.
<2> yea, it wasn't ms. i don't even think it was us.
<2> <1us.
<2> i don't have my notes handy, i had it timed in various configurations.
<2> i haven't worked on it in a few months in case you're wondering why i'm so clueless :P
<8> I remamber when I first find out that I have a debugger in turbo pascal :) I was the happiest man on earth :))
<2> i've only really used ***embly debuggers.
<8> I got to them later, but they have almost no use today
<2> unless you code ***embly.
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