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<0> the slight foible is that the JVM is very much Java oriented, whereas the CLR makes some effort not to bind too closely to any one language
<0> but JPython etc targets the JVM without too much trouble
<1> Not that I'd want to write a language for the JVM now. I wonder why its so freakin' slow.
<1> They have had over 10 years to improve it, and they have a JIT now. And still...
<0> it's not as bad as people think, afaik
<0> a lot of the "Java is slow" is crap still flowing in the meta-conscience from 7-8 years ago
<1> I have done 3 projects on it.
<1> One as recently as last year
<0> same here. other than the crappy GUI libraries, I didn't find it particually slow
<0> no slower than .net, anyway
<1> And it was still slow, despite the fact that Websphere studio is an excellent IDE
<1> It eats up a lot of ram
<2> applications written in java always seem to have a responsiveness problem
<2> the UI feels sluggish
<0> aye, it does have GUI library problems
<0> but a lot of those were it trying to be the entire GUI itself. The more modern libraries are much better (e.g. whatever Eclipse is written in)
<0> damn, I can't believe I'm defending Java. I hate the language :)
<3> thats what I write my java GUIs in
<3> just more work
<1> The first 2 projects I did in Java were major screwups.
<0> I'm happy that I'll never be forced to write in Java again
<1> Because of slow dev problems
<3> if you write java well, you can get around a lot of problems
<0> we had performance problems only due to the XML parser libraries
<0> which were dog slow
<0> fixed that with some cunning specific optimisations, and left the rest of the codebase alone. saw m***ive speedups
<1> Well the second was more of a rescue on my part, but what that meant is that we said goodbye to the client with minimal loss.
<1> Without offending him either
<0> I wouldn't write another big project in Java
<3> kevlar GUI was java, and it was very graphic and it wasnt THAT sluggish
<0> unless I was *very* well paid for it
<0> gah. half these model answers for my statistics exercises are blatently wrong
<0> this is *not* helping the revision
<3> java Guis should be written is AWT
<3> ok ill stop talking about java
<1> AWT is old, but was a better concept
<1> But they had their rant of platform independence to live up to
<3> also
<3> Java 1.5 is a lot better
<3> with plenty of hardware speedups
<3> and some generics
<4> im using Dev-C++, how do i make sure im linking the python libraries properly?
<3> I havent written GUIs in soooo long
<2> if you get no errors, you probably did it properly
<4> i am getting errors
<2> then you didn't do it properly
<3> Asriel, im making the intro a lot ***ier
<0> Quantum`` - Naked CS students?
<0> I'm not sure that'll have the effect you expect. Unless peterhu is marking it
<3> hehehe
<3> im listening to the Star Trek soundtrack
<3> ahem
<4> can you have a C++ cl*** inherit from a python cl***?
<5> um..
<5> ew
<2> themime um... i doubt it
<2> but check out boost.python
<4> weird error: http://cpp.sourceforge.net/?show=16677
<2> why is virtual there? is this not a free function?
<2> also, semicolon after that } is unnecessary
<2> did you #include <ostream> ?
<4> well, the thing is, i use istream right above it that doesn't give an error
<4> virtual void Load( std::istream& p_stream )
<4> {
<4> // default to empty data loading, by chewing up the [DATA] and
<4> // [/DATA] tags.
<4> std::string temp;
<4> p_stream >> temp >> temp;
<4> };
<4> oops sorry, shoulda used bin
<2> did you #include <ostream> ?
<2> get rid of that semicolon
<4> i didn't include <istream> and that method above doesn't give an error
<2> what DID you include?
<2> I didn't ask about istream, I asked about ostream
<5> #include <nekkid_women>
<4> i think its included in another file, one sec
<2> no
<5> lol
<2> include what's needed in your header file
<2> don't rely on some other file to include it
<4> i added it
<4> why doesn't it complain about istream?
<2> added what?!
<4> #include <ostream>
<2> probably because something indirectly includes istreamn
<4> if there was absolutely no #include <ostream> wouldn't it say ostream not found or something like that, rather than have some weird no operator>>
<2> shrug
<4> [Linker error] undefined reference to `_imp___Py_NoneStruct'
<4> [Linker error] undefined reference to `_imp__PyExc_NameError'
<4> am i not linking the right library?
<2> impossible to say, without knowing what you're linking against
<2> more probably, you forgot to link against something (whatever defines those)
<4> i linked python2x.lib
<2> python2x.lib ???
<4> python22.lib
<2> is that two libraries or one?
<4> its one
<2> so it's not python2x.lib
<2> it's python22.lib ?
<4> i used an x because the name of the python library is python2x.lib where x = other version number
<2> are you trying to use boost.python, too?
<4> its SWIG, some google searching revealed i might need a special flag
<4> because winxp is weird like that
<2> what's SWIG ?
<2> a flag for what?
<6> how to change the value of the private member variable withouth using
<6> member function
<2> hhhmm - you can't, that's what being private means
<2> unless you're a friend
<6> friends are not allowed
<6> this question was asked in an interview
<6> I was told that it is possible
<0> then you can't do it. private is explicitally designed to prevent non-member functions from chaning the value
<2> who told you it's possible?
<2> and why aren't friends allowed?
<6> the guy who was taking my interview
<2> you mean, the person you were interviewing?
<2> or the person that interviewed you?
<6> the person that interviewed me
<2> maybe he's a moron
<2> or she
<7> With a public reference to the private value.
<2> mmm, yeah that'd work
<7> There are other ways, but they're convoluted.
<6> Solamente, like?
<7> Digging directly into the memory, casting, etc.
<2> of course
<7> The point is that the "private" keyword is to keep developers from doing stupid things. It doesn't prevent against malice.
<7> Or willful ignorance.
<7> Or #define private public
<2> meh
<7> It's actually too hot for me to play golf, and that's pretty damned hot.
<7> 98F by the window thermometer.
<2> wow
<7> Of course, if I could be a lazy schmuck and get a cart, but I wouldn't respect myself in the morning.
<2> 70F here
<2> haha
<7> I'd need a sweater.
<8> that's what you get for living in georgia
<2> oh... you guys getting a hurricane down there?
<7> I used to laugh at people that talked about it being "hot" when it got into the 80s up there.
<8> i'm thinking to move to either charlotte, raleigh, or back to seattle
<7> There's a depression heading toward Florida, but it's not supposed to be any big deal.
<8> i could live in a palace in charlotte
<2> ah
<9> 90 here
<9> (at 8pm anyway, probably less now)
<7> Florida, you see, is actually *above* sea level, and buildings are typically built with the expectation of hurricanes, so...
<2> hehe
<7> My favorite coastal seafood restaraurants are cinder-block buildings with essentially tear-away roofs.
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