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<0> lol
<0> the solution is to remove him, and bring in someone more open minded
<0> I just think he's way in over his head
<1> Ever tell him that?
<0> yup. doesn't care
<1> Does he not care because he's offended or does he not care because of rational decisions such as he's got mommy's money either way so who cares
<0> I think it's mostly because of his ego
<1> If it's mainly the former, obviously there are ways to get around that
<1> Good
<1> You ever have a good private sit-down chat with him about that sort of thing?
<0> he says that his past work experience included 'scheduling huge software projects' for 20+ years he did that
<0> but, i see no evidence of that
<1> I find
<1> In my very limited personal experience
<1> That this is the sort of territory where normal programmers tend to run into a brick wall
<0> and he lies right through his teeth a lot - even to people looking in on the project, he claims that we are pretty far along and that features X and Y are working, when in reality they haven't even been started
<0> he claims to have a marketing background, but I can't imagine this strategy is going to work
<1> Because you're sort of looking at him trying to figure out his compiler errors
<0> hehe, yeah
<2> His +20 years experience... was with a dot com perhaps?
<1> Like the solutions would flow readily once you categorize the errors
<0> I think it simply boils down to inexperience and not enough talent
<1> yy2bggggs
<1> Not to be an ***
<1> But the internet isn't 20 years old
<0> hehe
<0> I don't have a clue who it was with
<1> Maybe he had some
<1> Maybe he's not using it
<1> Whatever
<1> Doesn't matter
<1> Forget the error message
<0> aye
<1> Won't help
<1> Figure out what's driving him
<1> And work up from that
<0> communication is abysmal - I literallly haven't gotten an email about anything in about 2 weeks
<1> Not down from the errors
<0> well, over time i've come to realize that these guys are probably more driven by making money than anything else, and that's really all they're concerned with
<1> You're intense about the problems, and that's understandable
<1> Sure
<1> But either they're going at it terribly
<1> Or they're looking at factors they won't let you in on
<0> to the point that they forget that they actually have to make something to sell first
<1> Like they're trying to **** the investors dry
<1> Either way, it's an entry point for you
<1> That is, if anything is
<0> I don't think that's the case - there was a lump amount of money given, and it essentially doesn't have to be paid back, but I don't think there's any more on the way
<1> I like your idea about bringing in a producer on a consulting basis.
<1> nod
<3> Yeah. Say.. JBlitzen.. aren't you a consultant producer?
<0> well, i've suggested they do that, but they come back with the 'not enough money' card
<1> No, TCA
<1> I am a reindeer
<0> heh
<3> They're managers.. they won't know the difference
<1> Do you come back with the "we'd better find the money" card, rdragon?
<0> nope, because i'm just a lowly programmer
<1> See, that's that brick wall
<1> Programmers lose interest if they don't find a compiler error
<1> You're talking about bailing on the project
<1> And pointing out, probably rightfully, that it will collapse as a result
<3> Get out before it fails.
<1> It's totally unfeasible for them to consider replacing you at this point without it being necessary
<1> I disagree
<1> Try to stop it from failing
<1> If it still does, have damned good reasons why
<0> i'm pretty convinced that it will fail either way - eventually they will run out of money to pay me
<1> If you walk away and it fails, that screams to me that it'll happen again when you're working for me
<3> Sadly, no matter how true it is, people just don't accept "managerial error and incompetence"
<1> Look
<1> If you brought in a consultant
<1> Just for an hour or two
<1> And took a look at some of the problems
<3> On their dime or rdragon's?
<0> not on mine, heh
<1> Focus
<0> aye
<1> Don't go doomgazer
<0> i'm listening, speak
<1> If you brought in a consultant for sort of a quick overview
<1> Very cheap, relatively
<0> aye
<3> It's not going to happen. They don't want to be told that they're doing things wrong. They don't want to hear it from the lowly programmers, and the especially don't want to hear it from outside sources.
<1> Do you think he could give a few examples of ways you would save money in the long run
<1> Quiet, TCA, you lowly programmer.
<1> See, here's something I learned in life.
<3> I'm not a lowly programmer any more
<3> I got out
<0> i'm really not sure what they would say
<1> The programmer is only mistreated so long as he acts like a lowly programmer.
<3> Right.
<1> Do you think it's worth a shot, rdragon?
<1> Trust me, TCA, it's the truth.
<3> I tried everything short of killing my boss to get things to change
<3> It never did
<0> I don't feel optimistic that whatever they say, would actually be listened to
<2> I believe him
<1> Don't go doomgazer
<0> well, it really depends on what they would say - i'm not sure
<3> Okay.. how about being realistic. Your experiences don't exactly jive with ours.
<1> Do you think that such a meeting might be a chance to turn the project around
<1> If it's acted on well?
<0> possibly
<1> Think about those sorts of things
<1> I wouldn't actually do anything unless I had a safety net first
<1> But rattle the concept around in your head
<1> Forget what you think you can't do or what they won't let you do or what they can't or won't do
<0> let me try and find an old email
<1> Throw everything on the table
<1> And do your best to fix the problem
<0> oh yes, this is perfect
<1> Emails are meaningless
<0> well it's a bit of a thread
<1> These sorts of conversations don't operate on an email basis
<2> Except in court
<0> that's essentially our only form of communication
<1> Maybe that's one of the problems too
<1> But paste what you wanted to paste quick
<0> i'm sure it is
<1> See, don't go doomgazer
<1> Don't say there's a problem and leave it at that
<0> what's your email address?
<1> You're acting like the guy who stands idly drinking a beer watching a women burn to death in a car
<3> You keep using that word.. I do not think it means what you think it means.
<1> Never cite a problem without citing a solution
<1> TCA, doomgazer is a frequent visitor here who has a negativity streak a mile wide
<3> Understood
<1> Also a frequent bannee
<1> Note the correlation
<3> However.. some of us have been burned in the past by situations like this.
<3> So, offering cautious advice isn't "going doomgazer" on you
<1> When I mention doomgazer it's not because he's offering advice
<1> It's because he's mentioning a problem WITHOUT offering advice
<1> Note the difference
<1> Once you start perceiving problems as unresolveable, or unresolveable BY YOU, you give them power they did not previously have.
<1> This is actually a martial arts point
<3> Or maybe you're not in a position to effect change
<3> Other than leaving
<1> If you think you'll lose, you guarantee it.
<4> nick bans work now. I've also exempted registered users.
<1> Nice, m
<3> There are no-win situations out there.
<1> TCA, rdragon's position is one in which he can effect change, because as he said, if he leaves, the project suffers probably terminably
<1> When you've got a pistol to someone's head, you can't say you lack the ability to effect change
<1> If you do, you're doomgazer
<3> But that's not a viable solution either
<1> You don't know that
<3> because once you put the pistol down, they'll take it and beat you with it
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