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<0> No
<1> sure it is
<2> Then why go through all the effort if the end result is the same?
<0> It's possible that you can take this ****ty tiny company and turn it into a successful tiny company
<1> okay
<1> so it's a tiny successful company
<0> For the same reason that Mother Theresa went through all the effort for people who would die in the end anyway.
<0> Because it's not about the externals.
<2> Because God tells him to?
<1> no, because JBlitzen does
<0> No
<2> It's a life and growth lesson?
<0> In this analogy, God and JB (often confused) are externals
<1> hehe
<0> It's not a lesson at all
<0> It would BE life and growth.
<0> And that's the point.
<2> It's an exercize in idealism?
<0> It's an exercise in humanity
<1> JBlitzen the point is that even if this becomes a sucessful company, it would take longer for it to get to that point than it would for me to get an incrementally better job and work from there
<2> Have ya.. been outside lately?
<0> Yes, I have
<2> Well, not everyone is blessed with cult-leader enthusiasm such as yourself.
<0> rdragon, it's all about the transitions
<0> And those are driven by mentality
<1> if you want to talk financials - I have to pay for a 2 bedroom apartment because I need room for an office to work, plus I only make $40k, period - no benefits of any kind, except some paid vacation
<0> If they fired you after a week with the consultant and implemented his suggestions
<0> And they succeeded as a result
<0> You would have succeeded
<1> but realistically, the chances of that are very slim
<0> You would have successfully grown something from nothing
<0> I dunno, I don't think they're that slim.
<0> I don't think anybody really knows how slim they are.
<0> You included, as you yourself pointed out by mentioning your own inexperience in this.
<0> The point is, presuming the odds are very slim isn't a great way to find fulfillment in life.
<1> well here's another thing
<2> Being miserable at a place you hate isn't fulfillment either
<0> Turning it into a place you don't hate is.
<1> even if it became a sucessful company, it'd still have the same people in it at its core - and the chemistry isn't very good
<2> Provided you have the power to do so.
<0> So change your chemistry.
<2> Believing you do doesn't make it happen
<0> Transition.
<0> They'll catch up.
<1> I plan to - by finding new people
<1> not by trying to change them
<0> I didn't say change their chemistry
<0> :)
<1> you suggested I change myself and wait for them to change too
<1> that's an attempt at changing them
<0> The second part doesn't really matter, does it
<1> if they don't change, I just waste what - 3 months? a year? two?
<0> At the moment, it'd be about a month
<0> Preparation for a meeting or whatever, if that somehow worked, finding and bringing in a consultant and hearing them out
<0> If that worked, it wasn't wasted
<0> If it doesn't work, you skedaddle
<0> I don't see the problem, personally
<0> It's like a slot machine that you know you'll at least break even on
<1> look, it's very simple. you can't put farmers in a law office and expect them to figure it out
<0> What the hell, dude, drop a quarter
<1> some things just don't work
<0> I understand that, but sometimes things do work
<0> We dropped 50 farmers in a hot building in Philadelphia and created the greatest country on Earth.
<1> yeah, but as I ***ess this situation, I give it a high chance of not working
<0> So?
<0> Be your boss for a minute
<0> Or be me
<0> Consider your ***essment
<1> so why do I have to convince myself to try and make it work?
<0> Carefully scrutinize it
<0> Place it gently in the circular file
<0> Light a match, and throw it in
<1> JBlitzen it'd be like working for Edrin
<1> it's just not going to work
<1> no matter how much you pamper him, he still ****s
<0> So long as you believe that, very few things will ever work
<1> well, i'll have to learn that
<0> This is a great opportunity
<2> Cut your losses. Learn it next time.
<3> hm, anyone got data from a btreive database?
<1> so far, I think things have worked out pretty good
<0> If nothing else, it's practice for an even better opportunity, rdragon.
<0> Think of it that way.
<0> Sometimes you just have to believe that the gl*** is half full, even when you're certain it isn't.
<2> Fall on your sword for things that matter.
<2> The gl*** is neither half full, nor half empty. It's too big.
<1> that's exactly the problem i'm fighting against
<0> So stop fighting
<1> I did stop fighting, but that provides a very dull life
<0> Well, my approach sure wouldn't
<0> You can't worry about both ends of it
<1> your suggestion is to take the battle to war and end it one way or another
<0> Yeah
<1> i'd rather cut my losses and try again next week
<2> Didn't Sun Tzu say that the battle avoided is the battle won?
<0> That's what Ziggy does
<1> okay, so i'm ziggy
<0> The battle avoided is the initiative lost
<0> Don't be ziggy :(
<1> hehe
<0> It's not good for your mind
<0> Ziggy's a sad dude
<0> It's not good for your soul
<2> Don't listen to other people. It makes you weak.
<1> I trust my mind will lead my body to do good for itself
<2> Do what you think is right.
<1> right
<0> Screw that
<0> Do what IS right.
<2> And happiness will always follow you if you what you think is right.
<1> your right is different than my right
<0> I didn't say do what's right to me
<1> we have different views on what's right
<0> So?
<1> so, i'll follow what I think is right
<0> Ugh
<0> Follower
<1> but i'll put your comments in my suggestion box
<0> k
<0> Who dares, wins
<2> If he had done what you told him to do, he would be following you, not himself.
<0> I didn't tell him to do much of anything
<0> I told him what I'd do
<0> But that's a good point
<0> Because he tells his boss what to do
<2> No, actually, you did tell him what to do
<2> You gave him bullet points
<0> And notice how his boss responds to that
<0> Yeah, but that was framed as what I would do
<0> Because it is what I would do
<1> it was framed as what I should do
<0> At least, given what little I know of the situation
<0> Well, whatever
<0> Too bad
<1> lol
<0> Deal with it. :D
<0> You guys need more pragmatism
<0> Gotta take dancing lessons or martial arts or something
<2> Funny you should say that.
<0> Sometimes our minds aren't the best authority on our lives
<1> i have gone with my gut for some time now... I graduated from highschool with a C average, although I had the respect of all of my peers as being the brightest and the most likely to do great things
<2> You're being horribly idealistic and naive.
<0> Sometimes you have to take all the good advice you can get, and burn it.
<0> Well, that just means your gut is lazy
<1> maybe
<0> And cutting losses is lazy
<2> Church of Doctor Phil.
<1> but you might consider that while I was not doing homework, I was learning about computers
<0> And you've got to ask yourself, are you just repeating now the mistakes of high school
<0> Nobody gets any points for knowing computers
<0> They got points for doing good
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