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<0> And he doesn't learn well when he's frustrated.
<0> And that's perfectly understandable.
<1> and i've wasted enough of my life trying to teach him
<1> in my opinion
<0> When you pull on the door 50 times and it doesn't open, don't get pissed at the door
<0> Try pushing it
<0> And if that doesn't work, don't try it 49 more times
<1> it's more beneficial for everyone if we part ways - he gets rid of a negative team member, and I join a community I fit in with better
<0> That sounds like you're trying to justify it to yourself
<0> I think there's a part of you that doesn't buy it
<0> And I'm saying, see what that part of you has to say
<1> I haven't justified pouring so much more effort into it to try and make it work
<0> I know, it seems like wasted effort
<1> because even if it does work, it's still a mediocre project at best
<0> Yes, but if you helped make it work, you wouldn't be mediocre for it.
<1> but I could become greater much faster if I cut it loose and stop it from dragging me down
<0> The great captains don't retreat when the going gets tough
<1> I'm not a captain of this ship
<0> I was actually thinking infantry captain
<0> And that's significant because he's not the boss, the general is
<0> But he does his part
<0> And if he only does it like a Ziggy, he's never remembered
<0> Look, I dunno
<0> I keep going back to this mentality thing.
<1> I understand what you're saying
<0> And you keep going back to this external thing
<1> I just don't think it applies
<0> It may not
<0> But I don't want you to think of the world as the ultimate arbiter of your moral value.
<1> according to my judgement, it doesn't
<0> YOU are that arbiter.
<1> exactly - I'm calling the shots
<0> This project is only insignificant because you allow it to be, internally.
<0> No, that's not what I'm saying.
<0> I think you're following a program that's been instilled in you externally
<1> well, I have to be in command of my own life
<0> No, you really don't.
<1> or at least, I want to be
<0> No, you really don't.
<1> well then, I want to think I am
<0> No, you really don't.
<1> then what?
<0> Lemme ask you this
<0> Was Mother Theresa a great person?
<0> (This is relevant, don't laugh and dismiss it)
<1> sure
<0> k
<0> Was she in command of her life?
<1> i don't know
<0> I don't know much about her but I do know she was VERY religious.
<0> It's certainly fair to say that to her, God was in command of her life.
<1> hmm
<0> Now
<0> Don't get me wrong
<0> This isn't about religion
<1> no, i know
<0> This is about how your mentality looks for an external validation by external rules
<0> And Mother Theresa on the other hand was quite proud and considered great for serving someone else
<0> That didn't come from God, it didn't come from some church mandate
<0> It didn't come from some reporter who wrote an article on her
<0> So where did it come from?
<0> Where did her moral value come from, if she lived a life of servitude and suffering?
<0> Her ability to feel fulfilled on her deathbed
<1> well, i know you want me to say 'herself'
<0> Well
<0> That's what I would say
<0> But I don't think it's what you want to say
<0> And I think that's where your mind parts ways with that little glimmer of light inside it
<1> but who cares that she was famous for doing good?
<0> She cared
<0> Well, not that she was famous
<0> But we cared that she did good
<2> Uhm.. no she didn't
<0> And she cared that she did good
<0> It was important to her
<1> okay, so good
<0> But it wasn't so much what she did
<0> Bill Gates has probably done more for human rights or starvation or whatever than she did
<1> the point is that she did what she cared about doing
<0> I think that might very well be
<1> her being 'great' is just something the people around her created
<1> and maybe she did too
<1> because she probably knew that she could do more good if she was well known
<0> Let's simplify it a little
<1> but I really don't know much about her and what she did
<0> Let's speculate that everyone, at the age of two minutes, has the same desires
<0> Including you, and including her
<1> but, I don't really agree with that
<0> Why not?
<1> it doesn't make any sense
<0> Why not? Give me an example.
<1> what kind of desires? at two minutes old, your body probably desires comfort and food
<0> Well how about that, something I said actually came out right
<1> once you satisfy the basic 'desires', you move on
<0> I don't think we do
<1> and that's where people diverge
<0> We both own automobiles, and they differ
<1> right
<0> Isn't it still safe to say that our basic desire for locomotion is similar?
<1> transportation
<0> Sure, whatever
<1> we both desire an easy way to get around
<0> And maybe that's just a side desire off a more fundamental desire to, say, participate in a widely expansive society?
<0> Sure, get around a spread out society
<0> To participate in it, to work in it, to buy bananas, whatever
<0> And that gets back to, buying bananas
<0> Which gets back to, food
<0> Which gets back to the very desire you brought up that we're supposed to have moved on from
<1> i did say the fundamentals were essentially the same
<1> but they aren't what is always in the forefront of driving us
<0> Right
<0> Our cars differ
<1> only when they're gone or threatened, do we go back to them
<0> Well
<0> I'm not Noidea
<0> I'm not just talking about food
<0> I'm talking about, right, comfort, and security, and happiness
<0> And whatever
<1> i think we're way off on a tangent
<0> The basic elements that make up our collective interests, that even Saddam Hussein in his freakish insanity at least initially thought he was pursuing correctly
<0> I like this tangent
<0> Because this is the tangent that says that your boss and you have more in common than you think
<1> fine - but let me set the original issue to rest - i'm quitting if I get a better job offer
<0> Okay, but let me respond by saying that you and I both know that that's not necessarily your best action
<1> because i'm selfish and I want to pursue my own self-interests
<0> We're rarely the best judges of our own self-interests
<3> fwiw : use the "new job" as leverage to get more from your current situation
<1> no, but it has the highest chance of success in my opinion
<0> See that? ^
<1> nah, not feasible
<0> Even the potato masher's on board with me
<1> new job will offer well beyond anything my current one could offer
<0> Financially
<0> Right now
<1> not just financially
<2> Happiness is a factor
<0> But excel in this job, and what would your next job be like?
<1> but mentally, and in the interest of opportunity
<1> probably not much different
<0> Probably?
<1> yep
<0> Hey, I turned a company around, can I be your Access Database Developer?
<1> well it depends on how far you go with 'excel'
<0> No
<2> JBlitzen.. is it possible that rdragon is right in his conclusions? Being that he's closer to the situation than you are?
<0> It depends on how fare you go
<1> okay
<0> TCA, I never once said that my approach would work out better.
<0> My entire point has been that it doesn't seem like it could work out worse
<1> so it's possible that I can take this tiny company and turn it into the biggest corporation on earth
<0> No
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