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<0> You take it off, dopey
<1> but I don't.
<0> Now tell us where you live
<0> Yeah, ni
<0> Oh
<1> in fact
<0> Actually
<1> it I guess it's fine
<0> There is advice I could use from you
<1> it just says don't store stuffed and wet.
<1> that's it, it says to dry them before stuffing and storing.
<1> But
<1> these lightweight jackets have drawbacks
<1> they are NOT durable
<1> they're very thin
<1> they're not ski clothes
<0> What would be a good pair of pants for hiking in possibly rainy conditions
<0> And, real rain, not drizzle
<1> I've got a few pairs of pants for stuff like that.
<1> nothing is good in the rain, except rain gear
<1> but, most of my outdoors pants are convertible
<0> Right, but I understand cotton's awful
<1> they zip off into shorts
<0> I sense a $250 trip to REI in my future
<1> make sure whatever rain gear you get
<1> you get waterproof breathable
<1> not just waterproof
<1> if you're planning on being out very long.
<1> straight waterproof is much cheaper
<1> but, oh so uncomfortable if you're active.
<1> http://www.rei.com/online/store/ProductDisplay?storeId=8000&catalogId=40000008000&productId=47979194&parent_category_rn=4501397
<1> http://www.rei.com/online/store/ProductDisplay?storeId=8000&catalogId=40000008000&productId=12150032&parent_category_rn=4501397&vcat=REI_SSHP_MENS_CLOTHING_TOC
<0> nod
<1> I've got those, I think.
<1> really, I just went with what fit best.
<1> but, these kinds of pants do great for outdoors stuff
<1> I've been swimming in both pairs, zipped off to shorts
<0> nod
<1> I get out of the water, and they'll dry in a few minutes.
<1> I mean, not bone dry
<1> but, pretty dry
<1> they also repel water a little bit
<1> like, wading in them
<1> if you do it very briefly
<2> Somebody tell me: whats the rationale behind method/function finalization?
<1> you get out of the water and they'll still be completely dry.
<1> But, jackets are tougher to figure out.
<1> jackets tend to be specific to an activity
<1> none of those jackets you're looking at will keep you warm
<1> that's not their function
<1> their function is to keep the wind and water out.
<1> you wear layers underneath for warmth.
<0> I figure the layers under it will do the warmth
<0> Right
<1> http://www.rei.com/online/store/ProductDisplay?storeId=8000&catalogId=40000008000&productId=47808845&parent_category_rn=4501408
<1> I've got something like that
<1> hmmm, I'mnot seeing the smartwool
<1> I like smartwool more than patagonia now
<1> it's softer, and just generally nicer
<1> it doesn't pick up odors as easily
<1> that's a wicking layer/base layer
<0> nod
<1> http://www.rei.com/online/store/ProductDisplay?storeId=8000&catalogId=40000008000&productId=3023499&parent_category_rn=4501416
<1> that's what I wear for actual warmth
<1> that's a GREAT jacket
<0> http://www.rei.com/product/47904157.htm?vcat=searchcat
<0> That's what I was looking at
<1> I don't know, I love my MH fleece
<1> it's got a bunch of pockets
<1> super warm
<1> pit zips
<1> the thing with fleece jackets
<1> they don't compress very much
<1> if you take it, you're probably wearing it.
<0> Oh
<0> Good tip
<1> so, the ventilation is nice
<1> you can open up the pit zips to stay cooler.
<3> can boost open archives like zip and tar.gz and allow you to browse the contents as though it were a filesystem directory? i seem to remember hearing that
<0> What about that capilene one?
<1> it compresses to nothing
<1> it's not a jacket
<1> it's a shirt
<0> Wait
<0> Yeah
<1> It really depends on what you're doing.
<1> that fleece
<1> when I'm in actual cold weather
<1> like, when I was in Montreal in the winter
<1> and it was sub 0 weather outside
<1> I wear that fleece for warmth
<1> and that's about it
<1> it'll keep you warm in almost anything
<1> and I wear it in spring and fall too, you can unzip it, and cool down some.
<1> but, it will really keep you warm if you need it to.
<1> when it's warmer
<1> and I'm skiing
<1> and it's like 20s-30s
<1> I just wear my smarwool shirt under my shell jacket
<1> the smartwool shirt is a lot like the capilene shirt.
<1> I just like SmartWool better.
<0> nod
<1> hmmm, MH has changed all their jackets, I can't show you the one I wear for actual cold weather stuff.
<1> I guess that's the major difference
<0> What's with all the damned 32" inseams
<0> Damned short people are screwing up my shopping experience
<1> if I KNOW I'm going to be wearing the jacket non-stop it compressing means less than it's durability
<1> how tall are you?
<0> Right
<0> 6
<1> 32" inseam is long.
<0> Actually, that's inseam isn't it
<1> I'm 5'11" my 32" inseam pants the cuffs drag on the floor.
<0> That's not the same measure as jeans
<1> no, it's not I don't think.
<0> Yeah, never mind then
<1> so
<1> really, what you'll need will depend on the activity.
<1> If you KNOW it's going to be cold, and wet
<1> then, a heavier duty jacket will be better
<1> in my opinion
<1> something you can wear non-stop for hours on end, and not worry about shredding if you decide to fall
<1> if you know it's going to be cold, and mostly dry
<1> that fleece
<4> nice to see the old gang is still kicking here.
<1> if it's going to be mostly warm, but might get wet
<1> lightweight rain gear
<1> that you can bust out when necessary, and stuff when it's not.
<0> Hi GPF
<4> hi
<0> nod, ni
<1> For real cold I go with several layers
<1> shell, fleece, 2 layers of base layer stuff, that capilene shirt, my smartwool shirt, then an underarmour shirt
<4> any one use that DEV C++ or the Watcom Free edition yet ?
<1> I tend to take all of that skiing, not for any real reason, but I'm wearing a small pack, and I can ditch most of it into my pack as necessary
<1> and get back out what I need as it gets colder in the afternoon.
<1> I like having that underarmour shirt though, super light weight base layer
<1> that you can wear under everything else as your final, it's way too hot, but I don't want to go shirtless layer.
<1> http://www.rei.com/online/store/ProductDisplay?storeId=8000&catalogId=40000008000&productId=47876937&parent_category_rn=4501414&vcat=REI_SEARCH
<1> Once you know what you're doing I can give more specific advice.
<1> there are lots of things to look for in jackets
<1> they're thinking a lot more about their design now.
<1> pockets set to not interfere with pack straps
<1> removable hoods
<0> Yeah, I noticed that
<1> mesh lining in jackets to help with moisture transfer
<1> all kinds of tradeoffs between features and weight.
<1> some hoods are made to fit over helmets
<1> some aren't.
<1> ripstop nylon vs. slick face abrasion resistant nylon.
<1> and, if you're planning on carrying a pack in the rain
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