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<0> maharishi: Until you're clear about what, exactly, you're trying to do and why, we can't help.
<1> maharishi, there is no way to protect any data from being copied.
<2> serpent there is TZ copy protection method
<2> and with Nero burner too
<2> so dont tell me that
<2> the thing is that i dont know the steps
<1> maharishi: i've told you my opinion based on some expirience, the rest is up to you.
<2> serpent i ask for any method give me just one
<2> or a page
<0> There are, in fact, ways to prevent data being copied. Problem is, they're all, at best, going to prevent purely casual attempts to copy.
<2> or a shareware that do that
<1> there is no method
<1> Bitrot_: well yeah, anyone who really wants to - will, if they try hard enough
<2> http://www.webtoolmaster.com/WTMhelp.htm <-- here is a method
<2> do u know another?
<1> i wonder then why, at a whim, one can still copy things certain big-budged corporations wouldn't want copied, oh well.
<1> *budget
<0> "there is no way to sniffing right serial / only brutal force"... harrumph. Another one without a clue about encryption, at a guess.
<1> i think maharishi is rather upset now :D
<1> wonder what and why he so desperately wants to say, uh, original.
<1> say/stay
<1> wtf is up with me today :/
<0> I like this bit, from the product's own site: "With this document I want to explain how to use WTM CD Protector. There are described some steps, which actually did not work for me."
<0> Apparently, the product's author can't even make it work. :)
<1> heh, i didn't bother reading it all, just looked around but it seems to rely on, of all things, autorun...
<0> Yeah, I've seen that before. Press shift while inserting CD, voila; instant byp*** of all the "security". Bah.
<1> "Now autorun checks if burning programs are active and
<1> search setup.exe in the root directory of the cd or dvd. Is this not the case, wtm opens a
<1> messagebox with copy protetion information and close it."
<1> uh huh, gg protection.
<0> "gg"? "Golly gee"? :)
<1> good going
<1> usually meant as sarcasm
<0> Ah. Indeed.
<1> ohh event horizon on tv \o/
<0> Sad part is... I used to work for a company who was doing really advanced DRM stuff... and I quickly realized that despite their being about 17 steps ahead of every other approach I've read about, their system was still trivially crackable. Pretty sad.
<0> Event Horizon? Not the best movie I've seen by a long shot... but not the worst, either. It was a good way to kill 90 minutes or so.
<1> drm is like, uh, can't find the right words.
<0> Retarded beyond belief?
<1> it's a good move, one of the movies i just enjoy watching
<1> yeah
<3> sooo, 2-4 tree any one?
<1> i like it how this berkley(i think) professor calculated that if everyone paid 6$ monthly, all downloaded mp3s/movies would be paid for
<3> |Serpent, nice
<0> Problem is, the media industry's doing it to itself. CDs which cost $15 and up but only contain one, maybe two decent tracks? DVDs where, to get the extended version of the movie, you also have to buy three discs worth of completely unwanted crap, at twice the price of the base movie? Sorry, folks, if you're gonna keep ripping off the customers, expect them to do likewise.
<1> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/02/01/free_legal_downloads/ <-- there we go
<1> it's also funny seeing people write bullcrap like "omg, downloading an mp3 is like stealing a car", hah
<1> if i could copy my friend's car for myself, hell.. :D
<0> I'll grant that if you d/l the track instead of buying it, you're not forking over the dough to the media company, so they lose a profit. On the other hand, would you have bought it in the first place? If not, they're not actually out anything. Also, I've bought CDs as a result of tracks I've heard from downloads, which I wouldn't have otherwise heard and thus, wouldn't have otherwise bought the CD - in those cases, it's a net gain f
<0> or them.
<4> what's the difference between gcc and g++
<4> i tried compiling a DLL with g++ for my MSVC app, but it wasn't recognized
<4> but when i tried gcc, it worked
<4> in both instances, the library loaded.. but i couldn't find the entry point when i used g++
<0> Not much, except that g++ will default to including the proper things for C++ support, gcc does the same for C.
<4> i know it's not the linker
<4> it's the compile process that must use gcc, not g++
<4> i'm using the code example from http://sig9.com/node/35
<4> it makes a simple DLL that uses printf to output "hello world"
<0> gcc and g++ will generally launch the linker as well, unless told not to - and will do so, generally, with appropriate settings for the relevant language.
<4> yes. i understand that
<4> i have control over the compile + link process
<4> except,
<4> i am wondering why g++ won't compile a DLL with good entry points whereas the same code, same command arguments work with gcc
<4> here, check it out
<4> gcc -Wall -IC:\GSL\include -c -DBUILD_DLL -DHAVE_INLINE %1.c
<4> g++ -Wall -IC:\GSL\include -c -DBUILD_DLL -DHAVE_INLINE %1.c
<4> i'm writing a batch file.. these commands are way too verbose
<0> Because it's being compiled for C++ rather than C, thus has completely different methods of handling mangling, startup, etc? Just at a guess....
<4> hmm.. so does that mean, i cannot write c++ in my DLL? that's gonna hurt
<4> is the ".a" library format exclusively gcc's ?
<5> you can write C in C++, but not C++ in C
<0> Sure you can; but you can't just willy-nilly do some things as C, others as C++, and expect it to work. Basically, if you're going to include C++ code, your main routine needs to be compiled as C++, you need to include the C++ libraries, and you may need to take special steps to handle mangling and the like in your DLLs.
<5> and if you're linking to something in C, use the extern keyword
<4> how come the "lib" command that comes with msvc understands how to: .a + .def => .dll
<5> that way C++'s name mangling won't apply
<4> hmm.. what is name mangling?
<0> It's how the compiler modifies the symbols handed off to the linker. C++ compilers generally mangle the name of functions, at least, to include such things as parameter types. C compilers generally don't.
<4> ic
<0> Given a function such as void myfunc( int x), a C compiler might reduce that to myfunc; a C++ compiler might reduce it to myfunc_1_i to indicate a single int parameter. Obviously, if some parts of the code are C and others C++, you need to account for that.
<4> ic
<4> thanks guys
<4> it's like 5:30 am in my timezone now
<4> i need to hit the sheets
<4> ttyl
<6> wife's redoing our front yard's flower beds
<6> looks really nice
<6> going to have the best looking house on the block, pwn3d
<7> just got up to lock up and it's crazy *** snowing outside
<7> like, coming up to my ankles on the gr***
<6> snowing?
<6> in april?
<6> you crazy brits
<7> welcome to England :)
<6> it's going to be in the upper 70's and lower 80's all this week
<6> going to be excellent
<7> snow sounds fun, as long as it doesn't stop me getting out tomorrow
<6> pfft
<6> snow looks nice
<6> but i'd rather it snow when it's 70 degrees out
<6> screw cold
<7> well, it's pretty warm here. a few degrees over 0
<7> just cold enough for it to settle
<6> pfft
<6> that's not warm
<0> I prefer cold to hot. If it's cold, you can always put more on. If it's hot, you can only take so much off before people start looking at you funny.
<6> 35 is warm
<7> 35c is insanely overwarm
<7> 25c is warm
<6> <--- hates cold
<8> Bitrot_ OR you can turn on airconditioner
<0> IRR: I don't have a portable one.
<8> Bitrot_ then stay in shade
<8> Wear white clothes. Drink lemonade, take showers.
<8> And also drink l***ie
<0> Nice how some people always have quick, pat answers which are completely devoid of any actual reasoned content. :)
<8> Well I lived in a city till last year where it'll get upto 46C
<8> Every summer
<8> 49 even
<8> So I know what I am talking about you noob
<0> "noob". :)
<0> cn28h: I'm a noob. Did you know that? :)
<9> lol what?
<9> ah
<0> cn28h: IRR seems to think I'm a noob. Cute, ain't he? :)
<9> interesting, I've never seen him say anything useful here:)
<0> I'm sure he's never seen me say anything useful here, either. Then again, I've probably had absences from here longer than he's been here in toto. :)
<9> heheh
<9> you know that #C changed owners while you were gone?
<0> Nope. Who is "god" now?
<0> You, I presume?
<9> nope
<9> PeteD
<0> As I recall, he was a reasonable and clued-in dude.
<9> aye
<0> Who was it originally... qball?
<9> kryp2nite
<9> at least he was when I came to the channel
<9> dunno if there was anyone before him
<0> Ah, right.
<0> So what happened to kryp?
<10> What's 49 translate to in earth temperature
<9> too much time out of town, not much time on IRC
<10> Wow, 190, eh
<10> er, 120
<0> Yeah, I had a channel switch out from under me for much the same reason. Didn't log on for a couple months, it got released, buddy of mine had to take it over. He's been running it since.
<10> That's got DFW beat
<11> .login
<11> er
<6> DFW = the ****
<6> JBlitzen = the ****
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