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<0> Can I eazily integrate C++ in C# application?
<1> easily...maybe not (depends on what you know)
<0> In fact i do not know much about .Net, but i used to be a skilled MFC programmer.
<0> But MFC today is too hard in Making UI compared with C#.
<1> you could look at C++/cli
<1> a c++ compiler for .net
<0> well, i have heard about that.
<1> vs2005
<0> what about its performance?
<1> better than c#
<0> compared with a native C++ compiler. such as intel C++ compiler?
<1> it depends on the net framework
<1> for os interaction
<1> but you can still use boost and other (good) c++ libraries
<0> I am making a mathematical application, I need full speed and good UI.
<1> then c# is the wrong way imho
<2> SiGro: i do
<3> nice :)
<0> but the boost or STL is still running on the .Net VM
<3> any more people?
<3> by the way, does it really make such a big difference?
<4> k3nt what .NET VM?
<2> not a dvorak keyboard, but the dvorak key layout
<4> and the c++ standard libray & boost have nothing to do with .NET
<0> no, i dont know anything about the VM
<2> SiGro: it feels nicer
<0> I am talking about the speed.
<4> the speed of what?
<0> C++ on .Net
<4> C++/CLI ?
<3> ah ok, i might go look for one then
<0> perhaps.
<4> perhaps? or yes?
<0> OK, yes
<2> SiGro: you don't need a dvorak keyboard. you just need to type dvorak
<3> although i still have a laptop next to my pc and i swap alot
<4> *shrug* i doubt for most applications there's a noticable difference
<3> so you can just swap the layout?
<4> it's not like managed code runs in a VM
<3> pull buttons off if nececeary
<2> SiGro: the big drawback of dvorak is the risk that you forget how to type qwerty... very annoying to work on other ppls computer
<0> bealtine, do you have any good suggestion on writing a computation intensive application on Windows platform?
<2> SiGro: ??
<3> yes?
<3> i mean can you convert a qwerty keyboard to Dvorak?
<1> i'd prefer native c++ first then c++cli if .net is required
<4> k3nt - just write it?
<2> the letters on the keys are just ink, you know
<2> you don't have to look at the letters
<5> and you can usually pry the keycaps off and replace them
<0> no, i want my code run on even Win95.
<3> well if i change layout i cant learn it by trying
<1> hahahahaha
<3> i prefer to see :)
<2> SiGro: there are appllications that learn you typing dvorak
<0> but doing UI in the MFC way is too hard.
<5> heh
<3> cool
<4> win95? why?
<4> win95 is almost as dead as DOS
<3> DOS aint dead
<2> SiGro: if you prefer to see, your not typing blindly. why bother with dvorak then?
<4> DOS died a long time ago
<1> any win9x is deader than your average dodo
<3> still it is used
<1> only by morons
<3> if it types better mathieu_
<3> by people with a crashed system
<0> so many people are using win95 and winnt4
<4> nobody I know
<4> why not support win 3.1 while you're at it
<3> they dont run it as main OS, doh but they do run it once in a while
<3> like ipconfig and ping etc
<0> well, win3.1 is too hard to support.
<2> SiGro: 'better' is quite subjective
<3> thats true
<6> Sigro, i am sorry, what are you try to develop?
<2> if could decide to learn dvorak again, i'm not sure i would do it again
<3> okay, you must have a reason for that
<2> i've got such a hard time when faced with azerty or qwerty
<0> so please give me some suggestion on writing a computation intensive application on Win platform today?
<3> but besides that?
<2> for example: when i wont to show something on someones computer
<4> k3nt just write it.
<2> i have to change the keyboard layout
<0> I want to take the full power of modern CPU.
<4> k3nt what kind of 'suggestions' are you looking for?
<2> people don't like it, and i tend to forget to put it back
<0> platform. architeture.
<4> that doesn't mean anything
<0> i am investigate the possibility of using.Net
<2> on the other hand, i don't strain my fingers, and as my keyboard never matches my key layout, i really type blindly
<4> the platform is windows. you said that yourself
<4> what possibility? it's possible.
<0> yes, native Windows or .Net
<4> who cares?
<0> How slow it is in .Net when doing math computation?
<4> what kind of math? adding? subtracting?
<4> profile it and find out yourself
<2> that's quite a nice advantage actually: i don't care what kind of keyboard i get.
<0> well, linear programming, etc.
<4> it's as fast as your code is optimized for speed
<0> so when it compared with native C++ code?
<7> What is profiling and why should I care?
<0> I want it to run as fast as possible.
<4> k3nt...
<4> you're not making any sense
<1> you're confused
<4> all code runs as fast as possible
<0> so....
<4> so write fast code
<4> and it'll be fast
<1> use native C++ for speed
<1> use .net if you need it
<7> .net == .wank ?
<0> I certainly know C++ is good for speed.
<0> but i want to comprise the modern tech of win platform.
<0> such as WinForm.
<8> hello
<4> then use it
<1> winforms use .net
<4> what the hell is the problem?
<6> K3NT - you can write the code and after it ready use an optimizer program, or optimized it yourself...
<8> how i can make an timer in c++ like the one in delphi or visual c++ I mean the same functionality
<1> CreateTimer
<0> I think after so many years, C++ is left behind when making UI.
<1> you should stop thinking...it obviously hurts
<0> woooo....
<1> you've been asking the same question over and over for the past 20 minutes
<0> ok.
<1> winforms are part of .net to use winforms you need .net
<1> you can use c++/cli for that
<0> yes, i know that.
<1> so get on with it
<0> I just want to know how slow it is.
<0> if it is acceptable.
<1> only you can answer that question
<0> well, maybe i will make a test on that.
<1> good idea
<0> thank you, guys.
<1> acceptable is subjective
<0> sure it is.
<1> ****e written in vb is acceptable for some people
<0> so, new question: what UI library can i use today in C++, besides MFC?
<0> on windows platform.
<1> wtl or win32gui
<1> http://www.torjo.com/win32gui/index.html
<9> or .net or qt? :)
<1> http://sourceforge.net/projects/wtl/
<0> yes, QT. I know it before. but win32gui is new for me.
<1> i prefer wtl...ymmv
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