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<0> http://public.research.att.com/~bs/3rd.html
<0> He has samples there
<0> http://public.research.att.com/~bs/3rd_tour.pdf
<0> There's his second chapter, or parts thereof
<0> See how that reads to you
<1> It says in the tour that " is better than C " does it mean it is for those who know C and want to extend to C++ ?
<1> And terms that I don`t know what they mean like Procedural Programming .. I don`t think it is for me
<0> Bjarne Stroustrup, the author of the book, is the guy who developed C++.
<1> I know that
<0> Well, when he says that C++ is a better C, he means it in the way that the guy who invented the car might have said it's a better horse carriage
<0> Doesn't mean you have to be able to drive a horse carriage to drive a car
<0> But your point about procedural programming is typical of Bjarne's book
<0> If you know C++, you'll have some familiarity with object oriented programming, so procedural programming will make some grammatical sense to you.
<0> But if you don't know C++, you'll get bogged down very easily in the words used by someone who's only thought about C++ for three decades.
<0> I have that very book on a shelf less than two feet from my keyboard as we speak
<0> And I can open it up to any page and understand everything on the page and still learn something
<0> But I don't think a newbie can say that
<0> So I wouldn't recommend it as your first C++ book.
<0> vawjr recommends Accelerated C++, and a lot of people agree with him on that.
<1> He recommends it for newbies ?
<0> I haven't read it, I learned with the Deitel book and thought it was good, but the Deitel book can have a way of using 47 words to describe a 2 word concept.
<0> Yes
<0> But as a book that will turn newbies into people who actually have a clue
<0> Not just as a book that will make them smarter newbies
<0> I can't say that I agree with him, I haven't read the book
<0> But I don't think you'd be wasting money on it.
<0> ***uming you understand enough english to get anything out of it, of course.
<0> And the only way to know that is to look at the sample pages
<1> Well I will take a look at the sample pages and come back later to hear what vawjr has to say about that book
<1> Thank you for your invaluable help .. I don`t want to start on the wrong foot in this
<0> Sure thing
<0> Sounds like you'll do well with whatever, so don't lose sleep over it.
<2> how can I do a sort() on a std::list<my_struct_t> ?
<3> get a book
<4> std::list has a sort method
<4> but yeah.. get a book
<2> :(
<3> ?
<2> hmm I need an operator<() in a struct
<4> or a predicate
<3> yeah, there has to be some way to tell if one element is 'less' than another, in order to sort it
<4> sorting structures is meaningless
<2> yeah
<5> hi
<2> how can I delete the first element or a std::list<>? my_list.erase(my_list.begin()); does not seem to do it
<3> threat it should, unless it's an empty list
<6> what's the difference between gcc and g++ ?
<3> gcc is a C compiler, g++ is a C++ compiler, I believe
<6> ah.. thanx
<6> i finally got things to compile.. but i'm still having trouble understanding the rather cryptic gcc parameters
<6> for instance, i'm reading this guy's tutorial on compiling windows DLLs with gcc: http://sig9.com/node/35
<6> what does the "-L./ -lmessage" mean in "gcc -o hello.exe hello.o -L./ -lmessage"
<6> ?
<3> type man gcc
<6> is man a unix command?
<6> i'm using win2k
<6> it says "The -L param means that the linker checks the ./ path for imports"
<6> what imports is he talking about?
<7> hello, how can i use InternetConnect to connect to an ftp that isnt on port 21 ? (if i use INTERNET_DEFAULT_FTP_PORT works properly)
<6> what's the difference between -L and -I in gcc args?
<8> http://www.noidea128.org/sourcefiles/16148.html
<9> http://www.noidea128.org/sourcefiles/16148.html
<10> my problem is posted here: http://www.noidea128.org/sourcefiles/16148.html
<10> it fails when trying to read an int from a text file
<3> __Claudia__ why are you trying to use all that C stuff to do the reading?
<3> and why use char* instead of string?
<10> because that's how much I know :)
<3> you need a nice C++ book
<10> I am copy/pasting from an existing code, + adding my touch
<3> http://www.rudbek.com/books.html
<3> oh, well that's no good :)
<10> What aleternative do you suggest?
<3> get a C++ book and learn C++... especially Accelerated C++, on the list there
<3> then use C++ streams and do the reading into std::string 's
<10> how do I do that? can you propose a coding statement?
<10> its just a few lines
<10> How should I do it?
<10> well?
<4> <3> get a C++ book and learn C++
<4> do NOT /msg
<4> that code is missing tons of information
<4> he left
<10> help please, my problem is posted here: http://www.noidea128.org/sourcefiles/16148.html
<4> we did stop pasting that link
<3> file >> name >> number;
<4> he's gone (again)
<3> lol
<4> his connection is up and down like a whores pants
<3> or jblitzen's
<3> he's not here, surprisingly
<6> hmm. can some1 help me. i'm reading the docs, and i still don't get it
<6> what's the difference between -I and -L. they seem to do the same thing
<6> for gcc compile arguments
<11> dextre1: they're very different.
<11> -I is for finding headers, -L is for finding link libraries.
<6> http://tigcc.ticalc.org/doc/comopts.html
<6> but look here, it says -L is for adding -I
<6> this is confusing
<11> get a better font.
<11> That's for -l as in 'ell', not -I or -1
<6> DOH
<6> lol
<6> first they tell me my compiler ****s.. now i got gcc, and my browser fonts ****
<11> If you're using Firefox then just hit ctrl-+ for larger characters.
<11> But if you're programming then you should use a font that lets you easily distinguish between l, I, and 1
<11> and between 0, O and o
<6> thanx for the sound advice
<12> fixed width, with easily discernable characters
<6> ya know where i can get help on "-Wl" options?
<6> i'd like to learn more about "--output-def" and "--out-implib"
<11> By reading the linker documentation.
<11> E.g. if you have 'info' installed then you could try: info ld
<13> Normally the compiler generates a copy-constructor if you don't define one, right?
<11> right
<3> it always does, iirc
<13> What happens when my cl*** is derived from a cl*** with a virtual base cl*** with a private copy constructor (like std::ios_base)?
<3> then you'll get a compiler error if any of the code calls the copy constructor
<13> Ok, so then it is not generated.
<3> that's similar to inheriting from boost::noncopyable
<3> well, it's not generated if it's never called, right
<14> this I think is the room that computer users here know the most
<14> does anyone here kno how to make a new album name list to appear in Windows Media Player album list so unknown music files can be names and moved into them?
<14> know
<14> named
<15> there is probably an API for interfacing with it
<14> lol who are you talking to?
<14> lag
<15> you?
<15> http://msdn.microsoft.com/windowsmedia/downloads/default.aspx
<14> why the heck would they make me have to download add ons for organizing album lists or songs
<14> that's a screw up done on purpose if they did that
<15> you are writing a program that needs to make a playlist in WMP, are you not?
<14> no no
<14> just copied CD's to comuputer Windows Media Player just adds into unknown and calls unknown
<11> SO WHY THE **** DO YOU ASK IN A PROGRAMMING CHANNEL THEN?
<14> and trying to name files and make a album directory to move them to
<14> cause other freaks in other channels don't know crap
<14> you missed first line I typed
<15> haha
<15> jeez
<14> *sigh* ok just #C++ questions
<14> *sigh* this chat program is very organized with room operaters
<14> I'm on page 100 of "C++ How To Program" book currently
<14> moiving from power C and Quick C
<14> and QBasic
<14> et cetera
<16> calc fallback
<16> wtf is kniht
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