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<0> but it wont let me do it
<1> KBM: it's not possible
<2> IRR: when I started with my "VP" project I was a lot more enthousiastic than at the end, although most people in this chan that tried it liked it
<3> i don't understand what "typeless" is supposed to mean
<1> KBM: but why is this a big deal
<4> Quantum`` was it doing what we are proposing?
<0> ints - double - float
<0> anything
<1> rdragon: what's KBM's issue? I'm having toruble deciphering it from what he's saying
<3> 'typeless' sounds liike 'no type'
<3> Cowmoo he doesn't know how to use templates
<2> IRR: no, I dont fully know what you are doing so Im not going to comment on your work
<1> oh hah, ok that's pretty clear then
<3> and doesn't seem to want to accept instantiating his list with a real type
<0> http://www.noidea128.org/sourcefiles/16144.html
<3> you can't have the same list templated to all of int, double, and float, KBM - that's not what templates do
<4> Quantum`` well, the work I am proposing has not been done before. And it will likely contribute relevant knowledge to the ADL domain, as well as VP
<4> So it shouldn't be seen as a strictly VP project
<0> yes - thats what there ment to do
<1> KBM: you have to instantiate your template
<3> no, KBM
<1> KBM: listen to what rdragon is saying
<1> KBM: please.
<4> Infact my work will be an application of the core research area of ADLs in VP
<3> KBM templates don't let you have a single object that works with ANY type - they let you instantiate a SINGLE object for ANY SINGLE type
<0> template<cl*** anytype> void print (anytype T) {cout << T;}
<2> IRR: I have no doubt it will
<0> tat will work
<3> exactly
<0> with any type
<3> and there will be a completely different function generated for each type that you p*** to it
<3> it won't be the same function
<3> when it compiles, the compiler will generate code for a new function, every time you p*** it a new type
<3> it's not the same function that magically takes any type
<0> ok right so u - dont have to do it
<4> So whats your proposed research?
<2> IRR: my phd will involve Decision Analysis in chaotic environments
<2> applied to Financial Engineering
<4> Whats the application?
<2> portofolio composition under risk
<0> question: what is the diff between template<cl*** T> and template<typename T>
<5> they're spelled differently
<5> Quantum`` would what you're doing fall under the umbrella of "risk management" ?
<2> yes
<2> but thats the application part
<5> I have a friend who is really big into that though his PhD is in neurobiology
<2> the theory will focus on "finding patterns in chaos" but thats just to make it sound cool
<2> :)
<2> vawjr: its an interesting topic, I like it
<2> and since I dont see myself staying in academia forever, its a good topic for job prospects
<5> I wrote a program a long time ago called Seth which played "the chaos game" as described by Michael Barnsley's PBS show (and expanded on it)
<5> Seth was one of the ancient gods of chaos
<2> interesting
<4> Quantum`` so what is the base technique/method you plan to use?
<2> what do you mean by chaos game?
<2> vawjr
<5> well his program started with "Let's play the chaos game".....
<5> but it was just a pick a random point in a triangle, then roll a 3 sided die (yeah, I know, they're tricky to find) and put a "new" point 1/2 from where you are towards the corner of the triangle your roll represents
<5> .....repeat until tired
<2> I see
<5> i.e. the corners are labled red, green, blue (3 sided dice don't have numbers)
<5> ***uming you don't get tired _too_ quickly you end up with something that looks suspiciously like Sierpinski's curve (I thinik that's what it's called)
<2> siepinski and triangles are like french and white flags
<2> so they are prolly called sierpinski curves
<5> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sierpinski_triangle
<2> we made the sierpinski triangle algo in haskel in first year
<5> of course we allowed more than 3 sides, different distances than 1/2 and different coloring schemes
<2> of course :)
<2> its amazing the paterns you can find like that
<5> and it was early in the Amiga years (1986) and we had more colors than most computers then, it was a rather impressive display
<2> hehe
<2> patterns in flocks of animals are also quite interesting
<5> the most startling thing we discoverd, if you call the corner you're headed TO as 0, and the one you were at previously 1, and before that 2, etc
<5> and then colored the dot you drew baseds on some input you got from the operator, you discovered that each point you plotted depended on ALL of the previous history
<5> s/baseds/based/
<2> ahhh
<5> knocked OUR socks off anyway
<2> not random at all then :)
<5> what you got for 0 was, of course, the top 1/3 was one color, the lower left another, and lower right the 3rd
<5> when you used 1, you got 3 "triangles" like that, each occupying the previously monochrome color
<5> 2 gave you 9, 3->27, etc
<2> nice :)
<5> yeah, w/ only 640x400 resolution though, it would soon look like an explosion in a confetti factory
<2> hehe
<2> I feel game theory will also be a big topic in my thesis
<2> but for the moment im not thinking too much about that
<2> neurons are still keeping me awake at night now and then
<5> you mean as in Nash game theory ?
<2> for example
<2> also vawjr, did I tell you an israeli team published a paper last week doing the exact same kind of research on neurons as me?
<5> yeah, I htink I saw that (you mentioning that)
<5> you really need to talk to my friend Thane (the neurobiologist who's taken an interest in risk analysis)
<2> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=16557293&query_hl=5&itool=pubmed_docsum
<2> haha seems like hes interested in the same things as me :)
<5> that looks a bit over simplified
<6> Quantum``: anal *** with men?
<5> I've NEVER considered a neuiron in an up or down state
<5> Quantum`` you'd like him, he's VERY bright..one of the 5 brightest people I know (his wife is another of the 5)
<2> vawjr: its all about subthreshold behaviour
<5> and I have LOTS of data points that seem to show that a neuron pretty much stays the same until it "fires" then for about 1ms it gives you a 2 'hump" maybe 3 swing between + and - of at "rest"
<2> the israeli team did it with pure mathematical modeling, I did it with an actual program simulation
<5> so below firing levels?
<2> yes
<5> I'm SURE Thane would be interested, I can send him the link?
<2> sure!
<2> ill give you a better link
<2> wait
<5> standing by
<2> http://compbiol.plosjournals.org/perlserv/?request=get-document&doi=10%2E1371%2Fjournal%2Epcbi%2E0020023
<5> unfortunately we went different ways last summer, his wife got a professorship at a medical college in Georgia, and I got the job here
<2> ah yes, god bless the internet information exchange :)
<3> warm day, was 88 again today
<7> 88? crazy
<3> yeah heh
<3> it's still like 80 outside and the sun is down
<7> I hate you
<7> hehe
<7> i'd be out riding my bike if it was 80
<3> hehe
<8> you don't know how to ride a bike.
<9> did you see, Age of Empires 3 is out!
<3> it's been out for months
<9> I don't look at video games often.
<9> Do you have it Tech?
<3> it's pretty good
<3> haven't played it that much though
<9> wtf, AIM was using 350MB of memory
<9> 830MB VM
<3> those damn ads they put in it are really bad
<3> i move my mouse over it and it pops up a webpage
<3> or plays some really loud annoying sound
<10> It's an AOL product. What do you expect?
<3> I liked the internet when it was just text
<10> AOL is one of those companies that has no notion of boundaries.
<11> [20:14] <11> Do you try to catch handsome men with their trousers down, april?
<11> [20:15] <aprilrose> men try to catch me with their trousers down
<3> heh
<3> aprilrose on @#snds #PHILOSOPHY2 @#anarchism
<10> If anyone remembers Mirabillis, they were the Israeli company that, to my knowledge, first popularized IM.
<3> yeah, ICQ
<3> then they sold it to AOL
<10> AOL bought them and promptly integrated a homepage hijacker into ICQ.
<3> bah
<10> Which is when I permanently uninstalled it from my machine.
<12> ICQ had a great deal of functionality... So much, in fact, it scared some users.
<3> yeah
<4> http://oldsydimc.cat.org.au/front.php3?article_id=8468
<13> f
<6> man is ben kingsley good in house of sand and fog
<6> hadn't seen it until tonight
<6> good film
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