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<0> that's about as easy as it gets
<0> and you can get a lot of help from here with Accelerated C++
<1> k
<2> Cuculetzu, vawjr even does dates if you book 3 weeks in advance
<3> moo
<2> moo indeed
<4> Quantum`` no I didn't know that. What workflows?
<3> waat
<3> CS PhD's don't deal with workflows
<2> most of them involve workflows
<3> nein
<5> http://www.tothepeople.com/2006/04/drug-war-meets-holocaust-revival.html
<4> workflow is a broad term. What workflows?
<6> ok any one knows anythig about templates and main()?
<4> Cool way to tell the future and make money out of it: http://www.nostradamusonline.com/
<6> *not AND - IN
<6> sorry
<5> http://www.buygodoggo.com/
<2> IRR: I read that statistically about 70% of thesis out there somewhere in their phd thesis develop a workflow GUI app
<2> kinda stupid
<3> Quantum``: wtf
<3> Quantum``: are you sure sure about that
<4> Quantum`` source?
<4> And I am not developing a workflow gui app, whatever that means.
<4> In the Services profession workflow == leave processing, payroll, purchase etc.
<4> Are you referring to that?
<2> no im refering to a GUI with boxes and arcs
<2> lemme find the source
<2> I read it last year
<6> why cant i do this??? template<cl*** TypeLess>
<6> int main()
<6> {
<7> duh
<6> unresolved external symbol _main
<7> why would you think that's useful?
<6> because i have a cl*** that needs TypeLess
<7> so?
<7> why does main() have to be templated?
<4> Apparently Quantum``, you haven't been able to deduce that I am NOT doing a Phd in boxes and arcs.
<7> it's not like you ever call main
<4> How would you like if I say every day that you are doing a Phd in "Looking into monkey brains"
<7> so it's silly to think that you could call it and p*** it a template argument
<6> http://www.noidea128.org/sourcefiles/16144.html
<8> I don't think he claimed you were. Just that a lot of people do
<2> IRR: I am not its my master dissertation not my PhD :)
<4> I am not doing a Phd either ATM
<2> IRR: you never explained what you were really meaning with visual programming anyway
<8> But a PHD in monkey brain research sounds fun
<8> and you can eat the failures. yum
<2> ewww
<7> KBM I donn't understand - you can't call main, so where do you think you can p*** that template argument from/
<4> Quantum`` what do you think it means?
<7> KBM get rid of the template<> on main(), and instanciate the template with a REAL type
<4> Its Programming with non textual symbols
<2> IRR: I did a "visual programming" project, and from my research I concluded that different people meant different things
<4> Quantum`` yes
<4> And what were the results of your "visual programming" project?
<6> ok is there anyway i can say that Number will always be TypeLess like by default?
<7> KBM is TypeLess an actual type?
<2> visual programming could gap some of the congnitive leaps people had to make with normal programming
<2> but
<8> night all
<6> no
<2> thats just for people who werent expert users
<7> okay, then how could that be the 'default', if it doesn't exist?
<6> ok how about typedefing it?
<2> expert users will always prefer their cl***ical ways
<7> you have to instantiate the template with a real type, at compile time
<7> like
<7> Numbers<int> nums;
<6> no i need it to be dynamic
<6> or "flexible"
<7> at runtime?
<6> yea
<7> well then templates are out
<7> templates are a compile time tool
<7> they don't exist at runtime
<7> it's not clear, at all, what you're trying to actually do here
<6> ok well at compile time then
<7> then: Numbers<int> num;
<6> ok i have a double linked list
<7> why aren't you using std::list ?
<6> that i add numbers too
<6> no - sch project
<7> uh huh
<6> i have to code all my self
<7> okay, go on
<7> why not just write something like std::list ?
<7> you've almost got it right
<6> well when u add it compaires it to all the numbers already there and puts it in order
<6> simple
<7> but when you want to actually use the list, you have to give it a real type to deal with
<7> do you KNOW how to use std::list ?
<6> but it suppost to take any type of numerical value
<6> cant use it
<7> that's not what I asked
<6> i cant use std::sort either
<7> I asked if you know how to use std::list
<2> IRR: makes sense?
<6> heard of it - no - never used it
<0> I'm not sure it will let you get away with templating main()
<7> well then you have no business writing your own version
<7> it certainly won't
<3> KBM: what is your ***ignment goal
<7> you have to instantiate the template with a real type, at compile time, KBM
<6> a dynamic sorting linked list
<7> that's all there is to it
<3> it has to be a linked list?
<7> if you want it to hold unsigned int's, then Numbers<unsigned int> num;
<6> yup
<3> mmm pretty dumb ***ignment, but ok
<7> really, it should be able to hold any type, that's the whole point of templates
<2> Cowmoo, IRR:
<2> Doesn't everyone agree that VP is great?
<2> No. In fact, some well-respected people have nothing but contempt for the visual representation of software. In a very famous article [Brooks87] Fred Brooks says this:
<2> A favorite subject for PhD dissertations in software engineering is graphical, or visual, programming - the application of computer graphics to software design.... Nothing even convincing, much less exciting, has yet emerged from such efforts. I am persuaded that nothing will.
<2> Of course, Brooks' arguments contain several weaknesses:
<2> 1. He focuses on flowchart-based control-flow diagrams.
<2> 2. He is worried about screen size in pixels. Phil Cox has presented a strong argument why this may not be meaningful.
<7> so I should be able to say Numbers<MyType> stuff; and it should work
<2> 3. I think he misunderstands the power of multiple views - not superimposed views.
<2> sorry to spam
<6> wo
<6> dude.
<6> ok
<3> Quantum``: ok, I guess that's where we differ
<2> what?
<3> Quantum``: I don't consider "software engineering" to be valid CS ;)
<2> doesnt matter soft eng is taken in the cs dept
<3> ya in that case ok
<3> but I refuse to recognise it as CS
<2> fine, whatever
<3> what-EVERRRR
<2> :)
<3> at my university there's a CS cl*** called "object-oriented programming"
<4> Quantum`` the purpose of our proposed work is not to replace textual programming but to keep visual and textual as complements to each other in system design.
<3> what a load of nonsense
<6> damn - i cant do typedefs on templates
<3> KBM: you typedef on types
<6> since template has to go first - then template
<2> IRR: fine, im just telling ya, visual programming has always been a popular subject
<4> The architecture based software modelling lends itself easily to a visual approach. Once you have developed the structure in sufficient detail you can switch to textual for your fine tuning pleasure.
<4> Quantum`` I know
<4> Its visible from the quote above
<4> But so is robotics
<4> And image processing
<4> And monkey brain peering
<4> Not to mention operating systems
<6> ok this was my idea before i found out its not possible: typed Type template<cl*** Typeless>
<4> etc. etc.
<6> but it wont let me do it
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