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<0> it's part of the standard library
<1> there was no vector in stl?
<0> NineVolt of course there was
<2> there was, but it wasn't called std::vector.
<1> ohhhh....
<3> PM2 : just complete the course and do whatever this professor wants, and then unlearn everything he said and get the real stuff
<4> i have the happiest cripple kitten ever
<0> it's so much fun making everyone learn stuff then unlearn it so they can do it right
<4> exception: i'm betting he has paid to learn C++ from this course
<4> sounds like he should learn it right the first time
<5> exception : isn't that a waste of time?!
<0> me too, which ain't gonna happen, which implies there is fraud on the part of the school
<5> peterhu : well you do have to pay to be a University student you know ;)
<3> peterhu : I did a c++ course last semester, just to get a good grade. They tought me MFC :)
<4> perhaps if teacher salaries weren't 1/2 of those of professional salaries, more people that actually use the language would teach it
<4> MFC? good lord
<1> PM2 : don't listen to these guys. learning the fundamentals of data structures is invaluable.
<0> NineVolt STFU
<5> peterhu : Well, my teacher is actually a professional network administrator ...
<1> just because you have a std::vector<> on your c++ compiling pc doesn't mean software isn't written for other systems too.
<0> that ain't a programmer
<5> NineVolt : That I know, trust me! I do know JAVA, with all the advantages ... vectors... etc etc etc
<1> that's not what i was talking about really.
<1> although even embedded systems are getting kinda high-tech today :\
<4> ninevolt, your arguments would likely be relevant if this were not a C++ course
<6> can I create apps with same syntax on VC++ 6 and VC++ 7 ?
<0> yeah, most of them actually have C++ compilers
<4> (i'm ***uming it is from the ***ignment)
<1> that's why i asked if it was a course on c++ or on software design.
<1> and he replied "stl"
<4> conix, not always, as VC++ 6.0 is not a C++ compiler
<7> do you get much spam on your gmail account peterhu?
<4> noidea, very little
<5> NineVolt : C++
<4> about 2-3 messages every few days, tops
<1> then your teacher ****s.
<7> I may switch over to using my gmail account as my main mail address.
<4> always to my spam box
<7> hmmmm
<7> the draw of 2GB of mail online is tempting.
<7> and
<7> you can pop3 it, right?
<1> if they're teaching you c++, they should ***ume that you either know about software design or you don't care about software design. and they should be teaching you vector.
<4> pops, yes
<7> pops?
<4> SSL pop
<6> vc++ works with .NET framework, so it probably will requie .NET framework to run the apps compiled in c++ 7....
<7> ahhh, even better
<4> conix, works with is not the same as requires
<4> in addition, vc7 is now 4 years old
<4> i would suggest 2005
<4> and vc7 is no where near as good a compiler as 7.1
<3> ConiX : not if you compiled to to native
<6> native win32 apps?
<4> all versions of visual c++ support native code
<3> ConiX : CV7/7.1/8 compile to native code just as (actually better) 6 or earlier
<4> don't let the marketing screw up of "everything .NET" mislead you
<6> well native code but I cant create windows controls with native win32 apps
<3> at least they removed the ".net" title from 2005
<4> yes, that was certainly a welcomed change
<5> Well, looks like I'll have to use linked lists guys!
<3> ConiX : you can, but it isn't as easy as with .net
<6> but when i try to add windows form in VC++ 8 it writes that CLR will be required for that
<3> ConiX : that's because you use the windows designed for CLR
<3> read about windows api or (I don't recommend - ) mfc
<5> Well! Thanks a lot _m_, peterhu, vawjrwrk and NineVolt! See you later! :)
<4> good luck PM2
<7> of course it's not
<5> peterhu : Ahahahah ... don't worry, I'll be back! lol ;)
<7> didn't you work on VC7?
<3> on the other hand, .net is the way to write new windows-specific gui application, imho
<7> I'm sure things have improved a lot since you left.
<5> Did you guys know you can use .NET apps on Unix?
<4> conix, Visual C++ 2005 supports the windows forms designer (.NET) and the native Win32 dialog editor (that is practically, except for a few bug fixes) identical to the one shipped in 2002
<4> PM2, to some extent, yes
<3> PM2 : gnu.net isn't quite updated, from what I've read
<4> mono is much further along
<6> <3> ConiX : that's because you use the windows designed for CLR <<<<<<<< well where to go to set up for vc++ to use NATIVE win32 dialog editor?
<5> peterhu : Well mono supports .NET, that's what I meant :)
<6> tools-options....
<4> you add an .rc file to the project, double click on it, and add a dialog
<5> Gotta go! See ya!
<4> then you will be able to load the template with DialogBox or CreateDialog API calls
<6> oh.......... ive got to read some e-book for that im currently coding only C
<6> but ill migrate after 7 months to C++
<6> and btw: do you offer support to C here?
<4> #c does
<4> the key for the channel is main
<6> C# - i think it doesnt supports unmanaged code
<6> and it's guite little used :D
<6> some ppl say that some day C# will be even greather than C++
<6> but i dont beleive them
<4> C#, as a language and tool, does not support unmanaged code; however, it operates with unmanaged code easily through COM interop and P/Invoke
<6> that's pretty advanced topic, peterhu and let's face it primary design was C# to work full with .NET framework
<6> to have total compatibility with it
<0> ConiX no, it was designed to kill C++ (and likely Java)
<4> yes, that would be a fair ***essment of C#. it viewed by many at microsoft to be the premiere language to use with .NET
<6> <0> ConiX no, it was designed to kill C++ (and likely Java) <<<<<<<<< for all of you do you think that actually C# gonna KILL C++ ?
<0> it was designed some time ago
<0> and I didn't say it would succeed
<0> not everything MS does is successful
<7> there
<7> updated
<7> ieee will now forward to gmail
<7> sweet
<7> later I'll have to modify gmail to use my ieee address
<8> No, C# wasn't designed to kill C++.
<8> And if it had been... hoo-boy, what a dismal attempt.
<0> MS was sure trying to kill C++ at the time
<8> Kill the language most of their source base is written with?
<8> Not likely.
<0> I'm pretty sure that it was mostly C at the time
<8> But anyway... how are ya?
<0> reasonable.... PM
<4> hmm, did it just get a whole lot more **** in here?
<4> oh, hi sol
<8> I'm attractive like a black hole, baby.
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