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<0> a mind cant ve ***
<1> wut
<0> got
<1> What the hell are you saying
<0> :(
<1> Whoa!
<2> well, it may be time to look for a new job.
<1> Hmm
<1> Jack Bauer is taking on the US military soon
<1> Doh, ni, what's up
<2> They reorged the company a few weeks ago a bit, added a new level of management
<2> there's new manager of the silicon team
<2> apparently the EXPECTATION is that everyone put in at least 60 hours a week
<2> indefinitely
<2> We're actually at the end of a project
<2> which is normally ramp down time
<2> not the right before tapeout rush
<1> Sorry to hear that, ni
<2> yeah, ****s
<2> I like the work I'm doing, and I'm happy there
<2> but, I won't be at a standard 60 hours a week.
<1> I always wonder how those places get around labor laws
<2> probably simply because people don't push the issue
<1> nod
<2> I think in California they're required to pay overtime
<2> even to salaried employees
<2> but, no one does.
<1> http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/02/11/0223211
<1> http://www.gotovertime.com/FAQ.html
<1> Great URL haha
<3> I thought that if you were a programmer you HAD to be paid $41 though..
<3> D: rabies
<1> http://www.gotovertime.com/law.html#exemptions
<1> Heh Taak
<1> Could just look up the CA state code directly
<1> Doesn't matter, though, NI hasn't earned much OT yet
<1> http://www.gotovertime.com/computer_pro.html
<1> I guess he cites the law
<1> That's a good lawyer, I'll email him to thank him for his informative site
<2> And I'd like to keep it that way
<2> but, I don't like this, we expect 60 hours a week from everyone forever.
<2> I don't know what a reasonable amount of hours in a week is.
<2> I like the idea of things being based on goals
<2> they tell me what they want
<2> I do it.
<1> 40 hours
<4> ok, for those of you who aren't n00bs and know what SimCity 2000 is: http://simcityneworleans.ytmnd.com/
<2> you think 40 hours is reasonable?
<1> If ****'s hitting the fan, whatever it takes
<1> Absolutely
<1> But note, I don't make as much money as you do
<2> I don't think pay rate should affect that so much.
<4> what do you mean whateever it takes fool
<1> It's a fact of nature that the more you want, the harder you have to work for it, typically
<4> what, do you enjoy working for someone else so much?
<1> But, I value my free time, and my employer has always respected that
<2> I'm paid more for my fairly unique abilities.
<3> lol
<1> You're paid more because you like them kneepads!
<3> D: !
<1> No, that's definitely true, you have rare skills
<1> Still, 60 hours a week is 60 hours a week
<2> which is too many for me to want to do
<1> I don't know anybody in my life who's been required to work anything like that as a matter of routine, against their will.
<2> I've got a life outside of work
<2> that I'm not willing to give up.
<1> Right
<1> I've had one job where I worked that much
<1> It was a college summer job, I was an hourly
<2> I worked 55 hours a week in a factory
<1> Pretty good money with OT
<1> Right
<1> We were testing copiers or something on the end of an ***embly line
<1> But, you know, we wanted that OT
<2> I was packaging cell phones on an ***embly line.
<1> Or, at least, we made money during on it commensurate with the work we put into it
<2> but, whatever. I don't mind working a weekend on occ***ion when necessary.
<1> Right
<1> I don't think anybody in IT does
<1> But, that's when it's necessary
<4> provided you're compensated
<1> Not when some ****bag with an MBA and a totally oblivious boss mandates it
<2> but, 10-12 hours a day
<2> that would eliminate anything I do after work
<1> Yeah, Cowmoo, when I put that kind of work in, somebody sure as hell says "I really appreciate that", and I expect a bonus or something for it.
<2> climbing, pool, etc....
<1> Or maybe I screwed up to cause it.
<2> Anyway, my manager came and told me that his manager told him that's what he's expecting
<1> Either way, I'm not just a tired ox
<2> I told my manager I don't know if I'd be willing to do that
<1> Nice
<2> I said I like to do things outside of work, and 10+ hours a day would definitely put a stop to it.
<1> I'm a little confused by it, honestly
<2> I said I didn't mind working a few hours on the weekends from time to time
<1> I mean, that **** might fly in a $30/hour EA 3d modeling farm
<1> Or in a call center
<1> Somewhere where you can replace people easily
<1> But this just makes no sense, dropping it on valuable people
<1> Whatever they expect to make off of it couldn't possibly be matched by the replacement costs of employees who leave
<2> and I said I can make sure I'm to work by 9am, and not do the between 9 and 10 thing anymore.
<2> to guarantee between 8 and 9 hours a day
<1> Heh
<2> but, that was it.
<5> I like the 40 hour a week flex time schedule myself. Just started it recently.
<5> Its nice to know that you don't 'have' to go to work at 7 or 8am
<2> I don't mind standard hours
<1> I work at home
<2> in fact, it works for me pretty well
<1> I have a tough time relating to any of this. :D
<2> I leave work between 5 and 6
<5> I work the standard hours, I just like the fact that if I sleep in by accident I don't look irresponsible
<2> get home, grab my climbing stuff and head to the gym for a few hours
<2> yeah, Twister, that would be nice.
<2> I've done that in the past
<2> but, whatever.
<5> Summer I will start going in earlier
<5> to get more daylight time
<5> daylight as in sun, and not wind, snow and rain as it is now heh
<2> what should I get for dinner?
<2> I should eat something.
<5> ow crap!
<5> the oven is on!
<5> I fergot. Maybe I do look irresponsible haha
<1> Haha
<2> anyway, it's not even the hours that I mind so much
<1> The new BK commercial's nice
<2> it's more that it looks like they're planning on creating enough work to make sure you stick around that long
<1> They caught a lot of flak for how creepy the one with the guy rolling over in bed to find the king next to him was.
<2> like I understand working overtime to meet a deadline
<1> So now it's the king rolling over in bed to find a construction worker
<2> but, this is going to be artifically setting things up to keep you around that long.
<1> Just imagine what crunch time will be like, ni
<2> exactly.
<1> Just make sure that, whatever happens, you keep a record of any communications or paystubs or anything else that relates to the amount of time you work or are expected to work
<5> Thats another interesting thing... no proof of work is required where I work...
<2> I'm not going to sue the company or anything like that.
<5> I could seriously come in for 2 hours, call it 8, and do absolutely nothing.
<2> if they want me to work those hours
<1> I didn't say sue
<2> I'll tell them that I'm not a good fit for this company
<1> Just keep a record
<2> and go elsewhere.
<1> nod
<2> yeah, I don't delete e-mails
<1> Back 'em up to your home PC, if you don't already
<1> I mean, maybe not yet, but you know
<2> well
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