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<0> the idea of a creator makes me fall about the place laughing
<1> vawjrwrk were you a non believer at some stage?
<2> haha bealtine
<0> oh well
<3> IRR not that I recall
<2> i can believe in a creator
<4> religions are simple example of the first "information evolution".
<1> Says so the Physicist
<2> belief != proof
<3> peterhu nobody ever suggested it was
<2> nobody?
<1> Belief without proof is true belief
<2> no, that's idocy
<2> idiocy
<0> indeed and belief w/p proof leads to gorgons and dragons
<2> guh, there is so much lag right now to my home machine
<4> Only those survived that had survival treats: make as many children as possible, raise them in the same religion (and scare them with doom and hell if they don't) (children are easy to brainwash) and of course... kill anyone who doesn't agree.
<1> peterhu is it idiotic to eat dinner that your mother lovingly made for you? It may be poisonous.
<2> um
<4> But then there was internet - and the old dinosaurs will die.
<2> sure
<1> peterhu the idea is: its good to listen
<2> listen to?
<1> Different peoples' views.
<5> IRR, ofcourse it might be poisonous, but the odds are low, now if you voice your concern the odds of her ever making food for you again get even smaller, see the reasoning?
<1> Especially those that are opposed to yours.
<2> i'll listen when they can offer me more than conjecture and personal beliefes
<2> i'm not interested in people's beliefs
<1> Well The Creator created the universe, but the odds are low that it created itself.
<4> What makes it hardest for me to keep my religion is that there are so many of them. I bet it was a lot easier to be "christian" when everyone in your village it too.
<0> this is my kind of religion : Taoism is not a belief-centered religion
<4> s/it/is/
<0> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taoism
<2> i could believe in a flying spaghetti monster that created the universe, and it's just as logically acceptable as any human though on relgigion there has ever been or will be
<2> thought
<5> i believe that we create through precieving, end of story.
<2> this lag is making it hard to type
<1> The speghetti monster can't write the Quran
<2> neither can allah
<2> he needed a human to do that
<4> IRR: But the fact that you can ask yourself "why do I exist" by itself means that it WAS created - so, even if the odds are low, as long as they are not totally zero - you can't use that argument.
<0> it wrote a book suspiciously like the koran
<3> peterhu except you don't have lots of documents written couple thousand years ago supporting your flying spaghetti monster
<1> peterhu but He did
<5> IRR: http://www.emf.net/~estephen/cthulhu.gif boo!
<0> which bit of the koran are you referring to btw?
<2> vic, you'd trust someone from 2,000 years ago to be an authority on *anything*?
<3> well, if they were there, of course
<5> Run: the fact that you can ask yourself "why do i exist" only proves that you are aware of your own existence.
<2> few thousand years before that and most religions were centered around objects or animals
<3> or are you ruling out all history?
<2> why are their views less valid?
<0> the great monotheistic takeowver
<2> irr, sure he did
<4> |Serpent_: It also means that the universe exist and life emergenced (or was created, whatever)
<4> emerged
<2> i ***ume you have proof of that claim
<5> no Run, it only means that you are aware of your existence, it has nothing to do with anything else
<5> we cannot prove that universe exists
<1> peterhu listen to this: http://server1.aswatalislam.net/Audios/Quran/Quran%20-%20Abdul%20Basit%20Abdul%20Samad%20(Mujawwad)%20-%20mp3//Quran%20-%20Abdul%20Basit%20(Mujawwad)%20-%20Surah%20008%20Al-Anfal%20(The%20Spoils%20of%20War)%20(www.aswatalislam.net).mp3
<5> no one can
<2> irr, why should i?
<4> Ok, I'm dreaming you.
<1> peterhu proof
<5> Run, we precieve, but our perception is not absolute
<0> proff of what exactly?
<2> proof in an .mp3, likely about some other person talking about "proof"?
<6> anyone use vc++ 2005 here
<1> That the Creator wrote the Quran
<2> perhaps we need to go over the definition of empirical evidence
<3> mx_ many of use, why?
<0> try #philosophy for vc2005 :)
<1> peterhu it may not be empirical but its evidence
<6> having problems with references to 'string'
<5> hahahahahaha
<6> linker errors
<5> bealtine <3
<4> If it's written in the koran or in an .mp3 - that's proof enough for me.
<3> #include <string>
<6> when i try to use for example string pop(string &buf) {
<2> no, it's hearsay
<2> and hearsay is NOT evidence
<6> i get link error 2019
<0> paste code @ site in topic
<1> peterhu see, you are a true believer
<4> Ok, now lets discuss the merits of vi over emacs.
<3> peter won't accept anything as proof, just ignore him
<6> ok
<1> In non belief
<5> anyway
<2> a friend of a friend of mine that wrote a book told me that bealtine is the one true god
<1> You don't even want to consider an argument
<5> the answer to all of your questions guys, is this: fnord.
<2> that's not proof
<0> relgion by its nature is unproveable
<2> irr, there is no argument
<2> christ
<3> NOTHING will be acceptable proof to peter
<4> who?
<2> you are ilogical
<2> vic, a god that tells me what's what is proof
<2> a human that knows god is not
<3> because he refuses to accept the possibility of the existence of a God
<2> not so
<2> christ
<3> and he didn't tell you sufficiently?
<0> i'm agnostic and proud :)
<2> vic, did he tell you?
<1> bealtine I thought you were a jew and like lard
<0> i eat ags
<3> peterhu sufficiently, yes
<6> http://www.noidea128.org/sourcefiles/16129.html
<2> through other humans? i have a bridge to sell you
<5> god both exists and doesn't exist, like the cat is both dead and alive, thank schrodinger for ****ing up our brains.
<1> And there is no questioning that vawjrwrk is smart ^-^
<2> i question it when people accept things without proof
<0> thats not a paste...
<4> |Serpent_: That is an interesting idea-- except that nobody ever defined was 'perception' means (that forces a system into a cl***ical state).
<6> most of it is
<1> peterhu so the difference is that proof is different things for different people
<1> And you didn't listen to the link
<2> i don't need to, it's not evidence, it's hearsay
<3> mx_ what the **** is pop ??
<5> Run: perception is any means for you to acquire data, any data.
<0> i actually have great respect for those who truly believe and have questioned their beliefs
<7> peterhu, consider that the root of religious belief requires essentially shutting off logical analysis.
<6> it takes a string
<2> bealtine, i don't
<6> it removes upto the first " "
<7> That's why I don't get into these discussions anymore.
<4> |Serpent_: Imho, perception is a gradual range of lowering entropy (making the resuls of one or the other cl***ical state macroscopic).
<0> otherwise they are morons
<6> it returns what was removed
<2> Solamente: that's about right
<6> and modifies bug
<6> buf*
<7> It's like telling an alien abductee that little green men don't exist.
<0> heh
<2> hah
<8> hello guys. i have 3.2.2 kdevelop on my freensd 6 and i want to upgrade it to 3.3.2 i have the source code downloaded. shall i compile it normally?
<0> whatjamean little green men dont exist?
<5> Run: we precieve with our senses, others might precieve other ways, but point stays: perception is the only way we acquire any data and perception can not be absolute since you can't know if what you see/hear/feel/etc is all there is.
<0> damn
<3> mx_ did you #include <string> ??
<7> Spock is a tall green man. Different thing altogether.
<2> i bet plenty of devote religious followers believe that those people are crazy
<3> dit you do either using namespace std; or using std::string
<2> i always find that humorous
<2> at least what they believe in apparently exists in an observable form in *this* universise
<7> It's kind of weird now, having been a devout Christian once, to step back and examine the belief system and see how similar it is to, say, the UFO crowd, in a lot of ways.
<6> yes vawjrwrk
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