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<0> http://www.centristcoalition.com/blog/archives/003147.html#more
<1> why wait until 21 ?
<0> don't know
<0> maybe because 21 is more or less working age?
<1> in some parts of the country
<1> mandating prices on health care is pure socialism
<0> I didn't see that part.
<1> worry, it was the "insurance companies MUST base rates on a pool"
<1> that won't work either
<1> s/worry/sorry
<0> ahhh
<0> yeah, that is stupid
<0> I don't know if I'm for this plan in general
<1> and I had a friend propose this back in the late '60s though it started at birth, was $4000 (money was worth more then) and there was NO income level where you had to give it back
<0> I mean, we are paying for all this stuff anyway, I guess.
<1> think how many "welfare workers" won't have a job
<0> But, it seems like we'd end up like France or Germany
<0> exactly
<0> it seems like it'd drive up unemployment
<0> get 2 people together, and live on your $20k/year somewhere.
<0> maybe if there was a stipulation in there that you lose the money after going so long without work.
<1> he's definitely a liberal, he used the word "regressive tax" in his argument
<0> I don't know
<0> I'd like to see medicare and social security done away with.
<0> I'd like those taxes taken away
<0> of course
<0> this is just another wealth redistribution plan
<1> yup
<0> I'd likely be better off not taking the $10k, and just having them not tax me for it.
<1> so how they gonna get the money if the driop SS and Medicare taxes?
<0> and, I'm not so sure people retiring earlier is a good thing either.
<0> My guess is
<0> they'd just rename those taxes
<0> I think the point he's trying to make is
<0> we blow a lot of that money on overhead from those programs
<0> just give the money right back with some stipulations on use
<0> and, that's it, cut the overhead
<2> where is telnet.exe in xp?
<1> C:\WINDOWS\system32\telnet.exe on my system
<2> ty
<3> there once was a gaey named JBlitzen
<4> hi!
<5> Hello.
<5> WElcome to the JB bashing channel.
<4> jb?
<3> JBlitzen, our local idiot
<3> every channel has at least one
<3> and he's ours
<4> oh, had the pleasure
<6> yours maybe
<3> you know he touches you *there*
<7> peterhu continue that story
<8> there once was a man named jblitzen, he kept all his knives in the kitchen, with a flick of the wrist, he cut off his grist, now there's no man named jblitzen
<8> (oh; probably not supposed to mock the idiot)
<9> I was looking around on the internet for programming languages that are good for AI
<8> lisp
<9> I saw that LISP is the main one.. yep
<9> I also found a good beginner book for it
<8> yeah. at least in my opinion, don't use lisp.
<8> it's just pain.
<8> use an ML-based language.
<8> or Haskell.
<9> what's ML?
<8> if you want to have your cake and eat it too, you could check out ocaml; it has imperative features as well as being a functional language.
<9> MetaLanguage?
<8> dunno what ML stands for to be honest.
<9> well, I want to work on creating a real world AI, for it to observe the world...
<9> and be able to interact
<8> what languages are you familiar with?
<9> C++ and Python
<9> PHP but that's not real programming
<5> Why isn't PHP really programming?
<9> sry for saying php, just don't want you thinking I'm a newb
<9> not real programming falls into the area scripting
<4> what's wrong with being a noobie? :P
<5> Eh, you can write complete programs in PHP.
<9> nothing just don't want to be thought of as an idiot, no offense
<9> lol
<9> yeah true but someone told me that I didn't start programming till I got into Python and C++
<4> an idiot does not equal a person who is not familiar with any languages but php, really
<9> true
<8> PHP's a crappy language, but it is a real lang.
<4> php serves it's purpose.
<9> yep, real language but a 5 year old can do PHP
<9> WORD
<5> ...
<8> ... is that a bad thing?
<9> no
<9> n/m about php not being programming, I don
<7> program in the language you like
<4> some 5 year olds can draw well, i cannot, and?
<9> t stand by that, some other guy convinced me
<7> AI has nothing to do with language choice
<5> It certainly si ahrder to code in Brain**** than it is in C++, but that doesn'T make it the superior language.
<8> IRR: some stuff's just plain easier in one language or another.
<8> PfloydWork: what's your timeline? if it's 2-3 years I'd recommend language shopping. if not use python.
<8> write now, optimize later.
<7> bronaugh AI is too large to have its own specific stuff
<9> lifetime achievement should equate to creating real world usable AI
<4> or make the ai optimize itself
<8> IRR: eh? quantify that statement.
<8> PfloydWork: well, depends what you consider "usable". there's been "usable" AI for 40 years.
<9> I want to make it be as smart as a human
<8> for specific purposes.
<8> ahhahahaha
<8> yeah. have fun.
<4> PfloydWork, humans are not smart
<9> we think we know alot don't we
<4> perhaps you mean you want to model it after the way we think the human brain operates?
<4> and not brain, sorry, memory.
<7> bronaugh state space search / neural nets / A* / genetic algos / fuzzy logic / IK <<< what language is the best for all of them?
<8> IRR: ok, what's IK?
<7> Inverse Kinematics
<7> Applied in robotics
<8> ok, I know absolutely nothing about that.
<7> Well matlab is good for IK
<0> hmmm, is there a sleep function in linux with more like milisecond resolution?
<0> sleep sleeps in seconds.
<7> So should we do all our AI programming in that matlab language?
<0> I need a shorter span of time.
<8> A* is a single algo -- you can do that in any language. I can't remember it off top of head so I don't know if it'd be easier done in functional style with recursion or imperative style
<7> A* comes under state space search. I mentioned it twice.
<8> IRR: matlab's got a bunch of nice shortcuts for dealing with matrices. it ****s for everything else.
<4> nn
<7> "shortcuts for matrices" hehe...
<7> Matlab IS matrices
<8> yup.
<8> I know.
<0> or even a time function with milisecond resolution?
<8> that's one of the reasons it's a huge pain in the *** to do most things with it.
<8> Noidea: use a loop with rdtsc, and know the clock speed.
<8> Noidea: the problem is that with the scheduler involved you can't really make guarantees like that.
<0> ugh
<0> I don't need guarantees
<8> you could also use gettimeofday
<0> there we go.
<0> rdtsc is a pita
<0> and not terribly portable.
<8> also nanosleep
<0> nanosleep
<0> that's perfect
<0> thanks.
<8> ... except that the resolution is at best 10ms
<8> ok, 4ms with HZ=250
<8> but still.
<0> that's fine
<0> I'm working around a bug
<0> I'm making socket calls to a debug interface
<0> there's a threading issue in the library somewhere
<0> where if I'm slamming commands across that interface at program speed
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