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<0> i mean, govt doesn't always go around looking for things to license
<0> but they're only too happy to oblige when requested
<0> in the name of public safety or similar
<1> no, it's true vawjr
<1> at least some do.
<1> I remember one recently
<1> I forget where
<1> California I think
<0> i just wish marriages weren't licensed!
<1> people who had gone to whatever school you go to to learn to do manicures
<2> Noidea:even computer engineers would know that
<2> heh
<3> koshka88 that's been my argument for ages
<0> vaw- what you mean?
<1> helped push a law through requiring all manicurists in the state to be licensed
<0> (sorry, came in late to the discussion)
<2> Noidea:why did you get that CE degree,you dont need to go to school to learn programming:))
<2> we EE people
<2> :)
<0> you can't go buy cosmetology supplies at many stores unless you have the license
<3> the government should get out of the "marriage" business and give it back ot the churches who had sole control until the end of the U.S. Civil War
<1> lEvO, what?
<2> hahah
<3> Noidea yes they did, protectionism, pure and simple
<1> vawjr, yeah
<0> i believe in the last century just recording a marriage in the family bible was enough
<3> like some programmers think you should have to p*** some test (get a license) in order to program professionally
<0> there weren't licenses; i think it prob came about around the time of testing for gonorrhea & syphillis
<2> NoideaLT:do you think you have a chance against EE people,why did they put the CE degrees :)
<3> koshka88 nah, by the start of the 20th pretty much all the states insisted on being involved
<0> early 20th cent
<0> yeah
<3> actually it was to "allow" blacks & whites to marry
<3> originally
<1> lEvO what are you talking about? A chance to do what?
<0> yeah there was the racial aspect too
<0> ppl should just marry or ***ociate with whomever they want to
<3> the top of the slippery slope
<0> in general requiring a license in a field restricts the supply of workers, raises the bar to entry, raises incomes
<0> something a lot of industries love... what did you say before? protectionism - very similar
<3> koshka88 a license is nothng but the state using force to keep people from doing things that they should be free to do anyhow
<0> "state using force" - that sounds libertarian
<3> I'm on public record in enough places for you to find out
<0> for doctors it's for public health - for lawyers it's cuz of how important to proceeding are not to screw up
<1> no
<1> the bar is BS
<0> for architects / engineers it's so buildings don't fall down ; for teachers it's cuz children are so important
<1> the bar was established before you had to go to law school to be a lawyer
<0> for barbers - i guess it's cuz they don't want to spread lice or something
<1> you would apprentice with a lawyer, and learn from him.
<1> so there was a bar exam to prove you knew your stuff
<1> now you go to law school
<1> if you graduate from an accredited law school, you should have already proven you know your stuff.
<0> personally i believe a lot of the same goals could be accomplished via private ***ociations whose opinions consumers would learn to trust - Underwriters Labs for safety for example
<3> Consumers Union is a far better example, IMO
<4> i think jb graduated from an accredited institution....
<0> vaw - what do you mean public record?
<3> UL isn't voluntary
<1> in philosophy peterhu.
<4> exactly, he knows nothing
<3> readily availailable information that's part of the "public record"
<0> i like the idea of apprenticeship
<0> and in germany there was a quality vocational / apprenticeship available
<3> koshka88 doing a google search on vawjr, then chasing a couple things should get you more information that you ever wanted... or better yet, start with a /whois
<0> i was there in the USAF
<3> koshka88 thanks for serving
<0> yes, but i just didn't know what you were referring to
<0> you said "find out" .... was wondering find out what?
<3> that I ran for Congress as a Libertarian
<0> you're welcome - the most fun part of being in berlin was dancing on the berlin wall the night it fell!
<0> oic
<3> I was out of the AF by then...long out
<0> i would have voted libertarian in '04 but i was so fed up with the whole thing i chose not to
<3> voting is a choice
<0> i identify with most of the ideas now
<5> How many votes did you get vawAFKhome?
<5> vawjrwrk infact
<3> I ran 3 times, I think the highest was around 4.1%
<3> I ran against the now SEC chairman
<0> well i believe that there is a lot of vote fraud; the software is easily hacked; who knows how many back doors; etc.
<0> bummer
<0> i would prefer solid paper trails
<3> koshka88 I'm not sure how easy it is to hack the software.... I was an election judge in '04 in Arizona (Tucson) and provided input and audited the black box tests that were done
<5> And if you had won you would have been a senator?
<3> both before AND after the election
<0> be back in a bit
<3> IRR^ no, representative
<6> gotta grab something to eat
<5> So thats directly below a senator or what?
<6> we have two different "houses" in our legislature
<5> Yeah we too
<5> Members and Senators
<6> one has 2 senators from each state (elected by the state legislatures until someone scammed the people into p***ing the 17th amendment) and the other divvies up 435 seat among the states based on population
<7> hi
<7> would anyone like to help me out?
<6> but, gott run
<5> ok
<5> Whats your problem icetooth?
<7> i am broke
<7> and i would like to install redhat
<7> or solaris 8
<7> and i don't have any blank cds
<8> how is this related to C++?
<7> and i downloaded the iso files..and got a virtual cd rom
<7> i want to see if someone can send me the os..so i can change my os.and begin asking for help in coding c++
<4> hmm
<7> i got some school books for c++, but i dropped out because school cost too much
<8> so if you were building your PC you would come here for help on that to?
<8> too
<7> nah...i know how to build a px
<7> pc
<7> hehehe
<9> you mean you know how to screw it all together
<8> well first off, dont use redhat, second this isnt the place for that ;P
<1> what?
<1> redhat rocks
<7> or do you know of any good c++ compiler programs for windows
<1> what's wrong with redhat?
<1> I mean, other than it's old now.
<1> it's now something else
<1> Fedora
<7> yeah..it's still a good program..i think
<8> redhat, fedora, centos, mandrake => teh ****
<7> used to use it in school..but the teacher wouldn't hook me up with the os
<5> Here they use ubunto or something
<8> redhat probably has a network install where you boot off a floppy
<4> noidea, there's redhat enterprise linux, and fedora core
<5> And losers stick to it because they want to "learn unix"
<4> which redhat uses to test things to integrate into redhat enterprise linux
<7> so what's a good OS i can get that's free and i can just download and install..rather than having to burn on a cd and install?
<7> because i really hate windows..and there's always all this miscellaneous files i want to get rid of
<1> why do you care about extra files?
<7> because it really irks me
<1> why?
<8> icetooth: debian has a network install that requires 3 floppies
<1> how big is a windows install these days?
<7> i got a decent sized hard drive..but a whole bunch of useless files is taking up space
<4> a lot of them have network installers
<1> I mean, it's still just 1 CD, right?
<7> i just like to feel like i have maximized disk space within my pc
<1> even if it's a compressed DVD, what are you looking at, like 16GB?
<8> some people are anal about extra files
<8> i had a friend who would delete stuff like calc.exe
<4> heh
<1> Disk space is CHEAP
<7> yeah..like me
<4> then linux is probably not for them
<4> or any OS
<7> disk space is expensive when you can't find a job
<4> for that matter
<7> so i gotta get my programming skills up to get a good job
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