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<0> we arent allowed to use STL datastructures
<1> STL went away with the standard being approved
<1> it got absorbed into the standard library
<1> so you couldn't use ostringstream anyhow, I guess
<1> what the **** to they thinik it's for? it's STANDARD for a reason
<1> every C++ compiler has it
<0> no we are allowed to use string
<0> and allowed to use ostream
<0> so
<1> and ostream
<2> i'm doing a damn interview test that says don't use the STL
<3> vawjrwrk: though surely there's some merit to people implementing stuff themselves, as opposed to blind faith in magic functions?
<1> since I don't give a **** about finding a job, I'd write in crayon "THE STL DOESN'T EXIST ANY MORE, DIPSTICK!!"
<2> hehe
<3> haha
<1> Cowmoo not before they even know whats in the language
<3> hm
<1> yellow crayon is the hardest for them to read, btw
<1> mabaa can you use istream? (e.g. cin >> blah) ?
<1> Cowmoo can you build a transmission for a car?
<3> I dunno, my only other education experience is in maths, where they also do similar stuff (e.g. can't use this powerful theorem that makes the answer trivial, have to write your proof in another way)
<3> vawjrwrk: no I cannot
<1> do you drive?
<3> aye
<1> do you not see an inconsistancy there? you take it on blind faith that the magic transmission will do what you want
<0> vaw, so should I store the translated info in a ostringbuffer and then out << the buffer at the end of the loop?
<3> yea, perhaps..
<3> yea, ok, you're right
<0> yeh we can use all of iostream and fstream
<3> since the ones who'll continue to do thsi stuff for a living will figure out how under the hood works anyway
<1> what about sstream? since that's where stringstream is defined
<0> vaw, that analogy isnt that strong
<1> Cowmoo or maybe even be taught later on in a _real_ data structures cl***
<1> mabaa can you build a computer withOUT using a CPU chip? i.e. design and build one?
<3> right
<1> if not, how can you USE one without knowing how the "magic" works?
<0> Well first of all it isn't magic
<1> Cowmoo I'm all for learning how all the stuff works
<0> And there are different levels of use
<1> Cowmoo used the word magic, I was just being obnoxious
<0> lol ok
<1> mabaa I ***ert right now that the likelyhood that you will ever HAVE to write an actual list is vanishingly small
<1> other than for profs who just don't get it
<0> of course not
<1> learning this early seems nonsense to me
<0> it isnt a software engineering course
<1> what is it?
<0> its datastructures and algorithm analysis
<1> christ
<1> ok, sorry, thought you were in a programming / C++ cl***
<1> but an examination of the standard C++ library on how functions got decopled from containers should be done very early on...since that's an architecture thing
<1> err, decoupled
<0> true
<1> then you get the framework for managing containers .. e.g. they all have a .begin() and .end() which will return "iterators" so you can traverse with
<1> for(blah=c.begin(), blah != c.end(), ++blah){................}
<1> I suppose you could start with details and then try to abstract the common stuff later..but I think that's a trickier way to think about things
<1> most people have a great deal of difficulty going "up" the abstraction ladder
<0> hmm
<0> I would say they do stress abstraction
<0> yeh, idealy I woudl have overlaoded the ++ operator
<0> maybe i still will for it
<1> both kinds
<0> right now im just trying to cut down on memory usage and what not
<1> is this a singly linked list?
<0> yeh its singly
<1> so -- doesn't make a lot of sense
<0> nope
<0> and is unneeded for my program
<0> Im just trying to make it more efficient now, which is why I was looking into ways to output this information w/o traversing the list twice
<1> traversomg _should_ be VERY inexpensive
<0> but you had a good point , the space used for the buffer might make it not worth it
<0> yeh its just moving pointers
<1> and it's unlikely you'll know how LARGE to make the buffer, it it's likely to get allocated a few times
<1> peterhu you here?
<4> does anyone know what's the name of the program that generate GUID id's ?
<4> nevermind
<5> What is the best way to test if a vector is empty?
<5> To my surprise, there doesn't exist a std::vector<>::empty() method :/
<5> Hmm, it should exist according the docs.
<5> AH... I see it :/
<6> hi am now, vic
<6> cooking dinner with the wife
<5> I typed emtpy() :/
<6> pot u fu (sp? it's french) with some nice white wine
<6> she's the one that speaks french, not i
<7> "not i"?
<7> That must be that gaeylic
<5> He doesn't speak english either.
<7> Hi Run
<5> hi
<1> peterhu do you know if we're exptected/should keep the projname.vcproj.userloginname.user files in version control
<1> JBlitzen you might wanna find Ann Coulter's latest op-ed piece.. I found it rather amusing, I hope you do also
<1> and I think it's pot a feu but not sure
<6> they shouldn't be, but you can if you want to (which is why they have the user name in them)
<6> too many people were checking in the .user file for C# projects, which wasn't right (i still see people doing that)
<6> so we wanted a way so that people could have multiple user files and get their same debug settings, etc
<7> Nice, vic
<8> ok here is my question is there a standard set of librarys for ftp functions for c++
<8> for ftp client procedures
<5> no
<8> run: those would have to be written from scratch?
<5> There isn't even a standard networking in C++
<5> sockets? never heard of (according to C++)
<5> Oh, you said 'libraries'
<5> Well, not a standard one anyway. Only the STL and libstdc++ are standard libraries.
<8> right i need to connect to a specific FTP
<1> and the only thusfar library proposed in boost for sockets etc. is still not resolved whethere it's accepted
<8> and upload a file
<8> is there a library somewhere that will do this
<1> you might want to take a look at dtilib
<1> I think that's pretty easy to do there (not sure, just about the time I started working with it, someons proposed asio for boost)
<1> http://www.dtilib.dk/ hmmm, maybe not
<1> gotta get daughter from school, I'll check in from home
<9> A bit of topic but do you guys know anything about alt codes on the keyboard?
<10> "alt codes"?
<10> as in scan codes?
<9> no as in alternative characters ie: alt+0178 etc
<10> oh, that's a Windows thing, not a keyboard thing
<9> yeah sorry
<7>
<9> the very thing JB
<7> :D
<9> but I can only get the numbers 0-4?
<9> trying to add reference points in a document
<10>
<10> (for me is dead key ^ 2 )
<10> :)
<9> has anyone ever used reference points in a document?
<10> what kind of document?
<9> Word document
<10> ah, very with the Microsoft today, sorry no idea
<9> You using Linux?
<10> right now, yeah
<9> Use Suse 10 myself
<10> cool
<9> doing an MCSE course at the minute so have to work on Windows
<10> ahh
<9> Have XP, Windows Server 2003, Suse 10.0 and NetBSD on my hard drive!
<10> that's cool, I run Slackware most of the itme
<10> time
<10> I've got my first SPARC machine now, that should be fun to play with:)
<9> How do you find it?
<10> it's pretty nice
<10> I can't complain
<6> sigh
<6> i need to drink more
<6> half a bottle of wine and i'm feeling it
<6> i miss my college days
<9> Beer and computers mix quite nicely. I am also making the transition from C to C++ and feel that I would have better NOT to have C at all.
<6> i did a project entirely drunk once in college
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