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<0> BS.
<1> if we wouldn't die, there won't be any evolution going on
<0> I don't care about the future of natural evolution. I won't be around to care.
<1> so.. why do we die? cuz we're so special?
<1> no, because we're nothing
<1> of course
<1> I'm sure your cells don't care about your ego eather
<1> but they live for you
<1> we are part of something and we can't get over this stage.
<1> we are social beings
<0> Oh, no we're not nothing again. That's interesting.
<1> that's on another level
<0> What you're saying is that the individual is nothing.
<1> yes
<0> So, in that case, isn't this discussion a total waste of time?
<1> no
<1> because he's nothing from a macro point of view
<1> when thinking about the "big problems"
<0> Sounds arbitrary to me.
<1> it's not arbitrary, it's arbitrary to live
<0> How do you know when you're macro enough?
<1> if you choosed to live, then you choose to give some importance too all this small things
<1> I don't think there's macro enough
<1> probably nothing is macro enough
<1> we aren't able to comprehend infinity and we live surrounded by it, and you still think that we worth something?
<1> that "we have a meaning"?
<2> sk8ing how do you rate humanity?
<0> sk8ing: Obviously you're convinced that you have plenty of it.
<2> without comparing with the rest of the universe and the unknown.
<1> IRR: I think it's a being in itself
<1> jbatista: sorry for not saying that we're semi-gods
<2> demi-
<0> sk8ing: I find it fascinating that people who preach a sort of metaphysical humility have so much to say.
<1> I'm not preaching anything
<1> this is my own opinion on the subject
<1> and since it's metaphysical, it's not appling when I'm talking to someone
<2> Speaking of metaphysical ... hi JBlitzen
<1> JBlitzen: what's your opinion on the matter?
<3> What matter
<3> I didn't actually read the buffer
<1> oh, nevermind then, it's borring anyhow :P
<0> JBlitzen: Does the individual matter, or are we each but cells in an organism so large and important that we can't comprehend it and shouldn't bother trying?
<3> Seems like a false dichotomy
<3> We're all components in a broader scheme of things, on some level
<3> But that doesn't mean we don't matter as individuals
<1> that's what I was saying
<3> If only you had said it as well as I did
<0> [20:46] <1> no, because we're nothing
<0> So, no it isn't what you were saying.
<1> jbatista: I was talking about the big picture
<1> but you simply don't wanna understand that
<1> ya, when looking from 100000 bilion ligth years away to the earth, we're really nothing
<1> and what we probably see it's another organism, that we can't comprehend which lives in a different way than we could ever understand
<3> On the other hand, something 100000 billion light years away from the earth is really nothing to us
<3> So it's really their problem
<1> yeah this problem can be seen on so many levels
<3> No, only on that level.
<3> We're everything and they're nothing.
<0> Depends how much weed you have in your system.
<1> I simply answered the questions
<1> what would you want me to say? that I go to heaven after I die?
<0> I don't see why you would choose to be fixated specifically on things that have no relevance to you.
<1> no, I won't go to heaven
<1> I won't go anyware
<2> sk8ing why not?
<2> :(
<3> He's Romanian
<1> heh
<0> You're saying that things that are vastly distant and unreachable are what matter most.
<3> They'd steal all the gold in heaven
<1> jbatista: things that matter most for us end when we die
<1> and don't exist before we get born
<0> Sounds right to me.
<2> JBlitzen you mean oil?
<3> No, only arabs and pakistanis steal oil
<0> I mean, I'm not wild about it, but I supsect that the universe after I die will be exactly like it was up until I was born.
<2> OMG ... now Bush will pronounce the arche angels as threats to national security
<3> If that were true, jb2
<3> And the universe was, let's say, 15 billion years old
<3> And your lifespan is, let's say, 100 years
<1> jbatista: that's exactly the point
<3> Then the odds are 150 million to 1 against you being here right now
<3> And yet, you are
<3> So how does fatalism coincide with those odds
<2> Thats not how probability works JBlitzen
<3> Of course it is
<0> JBlitzen: That's nonsense. You could say that about any and any given thing, ever.
<3> That's true, jb2
<3> So how is it nonsense?
<1> the odds are a lil bigger
<3> Of course it's how probability works
<0> "every and any given thing", rather.
<3> If your life is just a blip in the universe
<3> Why are you in it right now
<3> Instead of sitting in the great waiting room?
<0> I'm here because I want to be.
<0> Or rather, I'm still here because I want to be.
<3> The only sense that would make would be to undermine your entire position
<0> How is that?
<3> I.e., that life is actually a choice
<0> Life is a choice.
<2> jbatista but JBlitzen-Probability-Theory is different
<3> No no
<3> I don't mean your sick little Kevorkian choices
<3> I mean that coming into existence would be a choice
<3> I.e., you were born because you wanted to be
<0> I didn't say that.
<3> Sure you did
<0> Quote, please.
<3> [20:18] <3> If your life is just a blip in the universe
<3> [20:18] <3> Why are you in it right now
<3> [20:18] <3> Instead of sitting in the great waiting room?
<3> [20:18] <0> I'm here because I want to be.
<0> Right, I'm here because I want to be.
<3> 15 billion years and all of a sudden you wanted to be here so you are.
<3> So apparently the 15 billion years can't beat your desires
<3> That's how your logic reads
<0> Coming to be is not a choice. Continuing to be is.
<3> I don't care about continuing to be
<3> If you're suicidal, that has utterly no philosophical weight whatsoever
<3> Nobody gives a ****
<3> It has no impact on why we are what we are
<3> Only that you're apparently too stupid enough to appreciate it
<3> It has no place in this kind of discussion
<4> erm
<4> what?
<4> oh
<4> A Discussion.
<3> Wow, Cowmoo, even I heard that "click" from your two synapses finally managing to make a nanosecond long connection
<4> well unfortunately you're so incoherent that it does take a while
<4> I said what oh what? OH SNAP
<2> JBlitzen thats because of the echo in the empty brain chamber
<0> JBlitzen: Suicide doesn't even come into it. If you don't choose to live, you can die completely independently of any action on your part.
<0> Actually, I should say "you will".
<0> Human life doesn't happen by default. It's sustained by deliberate action.
<1> any idea why bjam would compile stuff for vc7.1 when I'm running it with the vc8 env vars set?
<1> by the way... the last 3 hours were lost, cuz it compiled for vc7.1
<1> :/
<5> can you solve an equation like nlogn = 100 if the log is in base 2 ?
<4> Marila2: this channel is about C++
<4> ask in #math
<4> oops, you arealdy are
<6> with mergesort, from left to right is the values greatest to smallest?
<3> Not sure what you mean, csharp.
<3> Generally, sorting algorithms don't give a crap what order things are in.
<3> So long as they have a way to compare elements, you can sort in the reverse order of the 4th letter of the last name + the middle initial - the birthday or whatever
<3> Usually there's a way to specify a functor or something for the comparison operation.
<3> The default would probably be lvalue < rvalue
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