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<0> as for the most part you were incoherent
<1> what are subatomic particles made of?
<1> Quantum theory deals with this eventually
<2> Your "argument" has no scientific merit whatsoeve
<3> Did it open any questions that were not thought of before?
<1> eventually you get small enough that you're in the quantum foam
<0> equally doubtful
<4> IRR^: I was entertained, and my opinion of your logical skills went down. That's pretty much the impact you've had.
<1> and, as far as first cause arguments
<1> if everything must have a creator, then, who created God?
<5> OMFG
<5> you guys are still talking about religion?
<3> Noidea what would you think?
<0> noidea started it up again when he got back from lunch
<0> he's a bastard
<5> hahaha
<4> Uckfae: And what would we talk about? C++? Feh!
<5> ;)
<3> That question belongs in God's universe, not ours.
<4> We're all C++ professionals, it has no more secrets for us. That's why we alk about anything but it.
<5> so IRR^, what makes you so sure of this God? Some guy in a funny robe told you all about him? What makes you think that guy knew what he was talking about?
<5> it all comes down to what you choose to accept
<5> you haev to realize your belief system may contain its own flaws that you don't want to see
<3> Uckfae religious argumentation is different from scientific.
<0> it sure is
<3> In science you prove and then believe.
<0> wake us when you make a scientific argument
<3> In religion its the opposite.
<1> IRR^, what do you mean, what do I think?
<1> it's your argument
<6> IRR^ oh no
<6> no no no no
<6> you hypothesize, then test
<3> You beleive and its proven to you.
<0> perhaps, until an anomaly causes a paradigm shift
<0> you should read kuhn
<3> Example: Noidea who is your mother?
<1> That's not the question IRR^
<0> did you go to JBlitzen's upstairs example making college too?
<1> your argument is, everything must have a creator
<1> the universe exists, so it must have a creator
<1> and that creator is God
<1> but, that brings up the question of, who is God's creator
<3> No my argument is, that theory of evolution is offensive on scientific grounds.
<1> not who is my mother.
<2> And yet you offered no scientific argument
<2> Odd, that
<0> wait, i thought your argument was that sub-atomic particles didn't taste good
<0> i've lost track
<5> IRR^, how can a theory be offensive?
<5> peterhu, hahahaha
<0> it's offensive to his religious beliefs
<5> yeah that's probably what he means to say
<6> just like cartoons representing "the prophet"
<0> i hate people who get offended
<0> bah
<4> Fact: 1. A scienific theory is a -theory-. 2. Theories are judged good or bad depending on the ratio of empirical evidence that support them vs the amount of empirical evidence that contradicts them. 3. There are much, MUCH more scientific studies that support evolution over other theories. 4. It then coems evolution is not a "scientifically offensive" theory.
<5> do they offend you?
<0> YOU BET
<3> offensive on scientific grounds, not on personal grounds
<6> DrkMatter you're overstating 2
<4> Overstating?
<0> also keep in mind that scientists are humans too
<5> mohammed was a human too
<6> yes, it's not a statement of fact, unfortunately, "authority" has a lot to do with it in there
<0> there can be other factors as to why a particular scientists supports a theory other than evidenc
<0> e
<0> -s
<5> yeah... sometimes there are Political Alliances
<6> e.g. if you saw/read "Contact" they had that part exactly right
<4> Well, if I said "Theories SHOULD be judged upon the mount of", would it be better?
<6> or even alliances for profit
<0> not to harp on kuhn, but this is covered in structure of scientific revolutions
<0> i actually enjoyed those courses
<6> DrkMatter absotively
<5> hey IRR^, an angel spoke to me and gave me the word of God. Among those teachings is the axiom: evolution is true. Happy now? you can accept it on faith..
<0> my professor was the understudy of hacking too, who is also up there with kuhn in the realm of philosophy of sciencce
<6> Uckfae unfortunately you don't seem to be a reliable witness in this instance
<5> what would make me more reliable?
<0> three wise men
<0> and a super nova
<0> get cracking
<5> i'm on it..
<5> should be ready next tuesday
<6> I thougth GM quit making the nova
<0> i eagerly await the event
<5> i'm telling you guys, an angel spoke to me
<5> if you don't believe me that makes you a sinnah
<5> fine be like that
<0> thankfully, you're not in control of the eastern roman empire
<0> freaking constantine
<5> what makes you so sure?
<0> heh
<5> actually constantine was in the western
<6> Istanbul was pretty close to the eastern edge of the Roman Empire
<5> it actually was before they split
<6> I thought the Persians had things pretty well bounded on the east
<5> istanbul (constantinople) WAS the roman empire long after the original roman empire fell
<5> the byzantines referred to themselves as romans
<0> he's the one that moved the capital to Byzantium
<0> and declared christianity the religion of the roman empire
<5> yes but at that time it was still one empire
<5> no split between east and western halves
<5> that happened in 395 AD
<5> constantine was around like 40 years earlier
<0> fine fine, what grew into the eastern empire
<0> pfft
<5> yeah
<5> the eastern empire was richer actually by that point..
<5> it's funny that in like the year 1200 there were still people walking around in turkey calling themselves romans
<0> regardless, i think we're all still eagerly awaiting IRR^'s evidence that evolution is an offensive theory
<5> i like to think of it as a defensive theory personally
<5> but then again, the best defensive theory is a good offensive theory
<5> so perhaps he is right
<0> depends if your theory was up at the half or not
<0> the best i can tell, IRR^'s theories have yet to score
<0> pfft
<6> "evolution" has two meanings which get confused... the one that causes the most "problems" is the implication (***erted as fact) that humankind evolved from monkeys/apes/whatever
<0> football = life
<0> god created football
<0> he actively plays it himself
<5> peterhu, how do you know this? did an little angel come to you and tell you? hmmm??
<6> I don't think that anyone denies that there are some changes in organisms over time
<0> no
<0> i'm god
<5> god with a small g?
<5> you must not be very important
<6> peterhu plays with himself a LOT
<0> i declared it a sin to spell it with a G
<5> you know, you really ought to write Your word down, oh god peterhu
<5> because i am a little confused about what you declared or not
<0> well
<0> i make it up as i go
<0> look at JBlitzen
<0> i'm REALLY sorry about that
<5> that seems capricious and arbitrary
<5> hehehe
<7> as arbitrary as 1+1 = 10
<0> capricious and arbitrary might describe god well
<5> but then again they might not.. that's what makes you so capricious
<0> ah well, that was fun while it lasted
<0> guess no more arguing
<5> :(
<7> that sounds so nazi
<7> :P
<5> what is nazi about that?
<0> heh
<5> we didn't say die die jew die or anything
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