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<0> well at least they go to the stadium
<0> and since tigres plays in libertadores, they get nice southamerican environment hehe
<0> brb subway
<0> brb, out for a walk
<1> http://the-kiter.de/fotos/mag.jpg
<0> w0ha
<0> who said 11C is not cold
<2> <-
<2> 11C is pretty warm
<2> for a fridge, anyway
<0> lol
<0> well i even thought 2C is fair here, cause i only was out 20secs, from home to car...
<0> but now i had a walk about 2kms
<0> hey, i was freezin haha
<0> it was a nice walk
<0> :)
<0> i`like the "woods" sight
<2> huh
<2> I can't see a damn thing
<2> quake 4 sort of crashed and I'm stuck in spectating mode
<2> I can't even switch back to windows
<2> hahaha
<2> brb. reboot
<2> hahah I knew I was typing in mIRC
<2> I wasn't sure but I took a shot
<2> a'ight, I'll try to play once more
<0> mmm
<3> tiocsti
<3> you were totally right about ida 5
<3> i downloaded a demo today and was impressed enough with the graphs that i ordered a copy
<2> hey _sin
<2> how are you
<3> lo EwIck
<3> alright i suppose.
<3> you?
<2> still cracking viruses?
<2> I'm incredibly good
<3> well mostly either backdoors/trojans or generic spyware
<3> but yea
<3> its what my job has 100% turned into
<2> that's gotta be a fun job, I guess
<3> eh
<3> arguably
<3> its more interesting than some
<2> uh-oh
<3> but it gets old quick
<3> its mostly the same tricks over and over again
<3> what you find on crackmes.de is more interesting
<3> which is what i spent my day doing at work today ;]
<2> that's a bit out of my league
<2> or my interest, to be correct
<3> nah
<3> that may be correct
<3> but not out of your skillset
<3> ***embly is ***embly is ***embly
<2> that's the thing
<3> i had a guy a work trying to encrouch into a position on my team
<2> I've been here for around 10 years I don't even know asm :]
<3> and he kept telling my boss that he knew ***embly, but he needed reverse engineering training
<3> i find that hard to believe?
<2> I can read ***embly
<4> if u know ***embly and like how the binary is organized
<4> ur pretty much chill for reverse engineering
<3> and knowing, to some degree, how the binary is organized should come from ***embly programming
<3> thats basically all it is
<3> reading ***embly
<3> sometimes i have to write clients for backdoors
<3> or programs to decrypt network traffic from pcap dumps
<3> but mostly, just reading ***embly
<2> well, I did read the intel manuals
<2> so I guess I know ***embly
<3> aside from that its mostly know what the windows api does
<2> reading intel manuals on saturday nights...
<2> (boy do I need a gf)
<3> like I learned today what User32::BlockInput() does
<3> its not fun.
<2> ah, now that's something I happen to know quite a bit about
<2> win32's my bitch
<3> well the api really depends on your target, but since everything is basically windows malware, its all win32
<3> but really, its not hard
<3> its just tedious
<2> and expensive in tylenol right
<3> only when it doesn't work
<3> i could never write serial/key generators
<3> that crap drives me up a wall
<2> it's not that bad
<3> like the answer is 34234839489234544098, now you have to find all the numbers in between that eventually through all the operations equals that
<2> keygens use common algorithms
<3> one of the keyme's/crackme's i was playing with today had an algorithm like a+b*b+c*c+d*d+e*e = key-part1
<3> if i was motivated enough, i could figure it out
<3> ive made whole pieces of paper look like crazy abacuses
<3> doing all these binary compares and such
<3> i just prefer not to have to do that, if possible
<2> well it sounds like that job is slowly driving you crazy
<2> now help me do this evaluation I have to do about my supervisor
<2> (yuck)
<3> well i know enough now that i could probably write an incredible worm for windows
<3> i just hate the api
<3> haha
<2> I love it
<3> APOLOGIZE FOR ITS UGLY NATURE
<2> I love it
<3> hehe
<2> honesly
<3> i think its just because i grew up on posix based systems
<2> win32 is just the best ****ing system I've ever worked on
<3> it is a very nice api functionality wise
<2> (NT and up, anyway)
<3> i just wish it wasn't so damned ugly
<3> like if i cant find a line of code on a line
<3> i typically think im trying to make the line too complex
<2> the only thing I hate about windows is that too few programmers are actually qualified to program for win32
<2> but they do anyway, and we get crappy software, making windows very unstable
<3> but win32 forces you to use ten lines for one line
<3> and 20 lines to get a meaninful error message
<2> get a 24" monitor
<3> still wouldnt fit many of the functions and their arguments
<2> that's true
<3> however
<3> after years of bigotry
<2> I wouldn't have made CreateProcess with that many parameters
<3> ive finally realized windows isn't all that bad
<2> I'm never going back to posix
<2> ever
<2> mainly because unicode is lacking
<3> i still want to know why on earth you would really need CreateRemoteThread() in legitimate circumstances?
<3> wide/multibyte/etc characters are supported IIRC?
<3> it has to be
<2> maybe, but not unicode
<3> you have iconv/locales/etc in posix
<3> hrm i think you're incorrect there
<2> well.. I haven't been in that land in years
<3> i have the posix manuals at work
<2> and I mean, YEARS
<3> i try very hard if possible
<3> to make the program cross platform, meaning that it will run on both windows and unix
<2> ah, it supports UTF-8
<2> that's a start
<3> by just writing my code to stick to the standards
<3> not always possible of course, especially when you get into networking
<3> that is one place though that i will say that win32 has an obvious advantage over every other api ive played with
<2> we have a library at work to do that, and we have guys working on it full time
<3> unicode/wide/multibyte/etc support
<2> though it does not (and will never) run under *nix
<3> well i mean things like using fopen() instead of open()/CreateFile()
<3> but yea, admittedly its rare i can really write one source for them all
<2> yeah I was like that too
<2> but then I realized how powerful the win32 system is, and no longer cared
<3> thats fine and well until someone wants your program to run on a sparc
<2> "The box says Compatible with Microsoft Windows XP, now beat it."
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