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<0> Intanjir>that's not limited to cosmology only... u can expand it over evolution also
<1> I want to read Cory Doctorow and deadhead for a few 1000 yrs (cryo), then wake up, read Arthur C. Clarke and build my own damn RAMA capsule
<2> everything in the current paradigm rests on the validity of hubble's constant
<1> (no reporters allowed, less drama, less headache)
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<4> hi
<5> slm
<1> Hubbles constant? The rate of expansion of the universe? Which seems to be increasing?
<6> oh please ... evolution is a well established theory ... modren biology makes NO SENSE WHATSOEVER without evolution.
<2> hubble's constant, the idea that things that are further from us are flying away from us faster
<1> wasme > It does in southern america... God mad us and had a well deserved nap on the Sabbath.
<7> hello there
<0> wasme>we should draw a line between natural evolution and modern age genetic mutation
<7> hi
<7> pepol over there?
<1> cancer is evolution.
<0> hi cel.. welcome
<1> ok modification
<6> uh, draw a line? where? why?
<1> Evolution isn't what is used to be for those millions of years...
<8> jkhui
<8> hai
<6> evolution has been observed over and over and over again. Speciation has been observed. The fossil record is a very good record (although necessarily incomplete).
<1> now we stand stuck in a moment and cry it's false because we're trapped in the amber of 40-80years of life
<5> slm arkadalar varm muhabbet
<9> hi everybody here
<1> wasme/Intanjir > I'm quite aware of what happens physically to the meat that carries your conciousness when you die, but what happens to the conciousness? The system no-longer exists therefore you no longer exist?
<1> (leading question)
<6> yea, sure, sounds good ::)
<10> all these theories are all just theories where is the real proof. scientists can only work with what they have right know and project that into the future!!!!If science is so much about facts why can they not provide us with factual evidence and proof to us that the evolutionist theory is correct beyond any reasonable doubt????? Just asking :)
<0> Got to go guys
<0> nice time with u people
<0> every one take care
<0> r3dux and GT500 ... bye
<6> science never works by providing 'absolute proof' ... science works by proposing and testing falsifiable theories and hypothesis
<10> cheers Satti like to chat with you later
<1> Gt500 > If you live for 500,000 years they will. And science is about facts. While religion is about faith.
<1> nn Satti
<1> wasme > You religious in any way?
<6> r3dux: no, not really.
<2> scientists feel they have quelled all reasonable doubt on the matter.
<1> I knew it, you heathen. You'll burn in hell.
<1> lol
<1> I jest
<1> We both know there's no such think, each to their own, and according to their own actions
<1> Truth be told, I think the only think you have to live with it yourself.
<1> "thing"
<11> .burit
<1> "is"
<1> free bitchslap w/ every 3rd typo
<5> slm arkadalar varm muhabbet
<6> Anyway, since science never works by 'absolute proof' you'll never see 'proof beyond any reasonable doubt' ... rather you'll find theories that are currently accepted because their implications (which are potentially falsifiable) have been tested and tested and proven correct.
<12> e
<12> wfwe
<6> Evolution is an excellent example of such a theory.
<1> wasme > Did you read the paper about the contsantly (long, long, long, trillion year) ever expanding universe with a constantly decreasing cosmological constant, until it goes off again?
<2> mmmmm falsifiability :)
<13> hoi
<6> r3dux: nope, can't say I have
<1> It's in New Scientist, only a couple weeks back
<14> reaaly!
<1> It's very tamed in the article, thankfully ;)
<12> f
<1> Strings and Superstrings > What's the deal wasme/Intanjir?
<1> laymans terms please!
<10> all just theories thought up by man.
<15> Join plz #Qismae.ee thx !
<1> not god, who comes up with lots of great theories these days
<6> I'm not a big fan of string theory ... it makes no currently testable predictions.
<2> some fundamental physicists are getting frustrated with the old theories, and have decided to jump headfirst into theories they understand even less
<6> I don't want to dissuade people working on it ... maybe someday it'll become useful. But in the meantime I think its m***ively overhyped.
<2> string theory is a nice excuse to develop weird branches of math
<6> Intanjir: that's true
<1> Isn't it true that if you always treath light as a particle in your calculations you get the right answer, but if you treat it was a wave you don't?
<1> "treat"
<6> uh, I'm not sure
<2> if you treat it as a billiard ball you won't get the right answers
<10> do you remember that there once also was a theory that the sun was revolving around the earth!!! what happened to that one? It was also proven beyond reasonable doubt?
<2> but thinking about light as a wave just doesn't make any sense
<1> Gt500... um, we still don't know
<2> these days when they say 'particle', physicists mean something like a billiard ball with self-interference
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<6> uh, I thought I already said that science doesn't work by 'proving things beyond reasonable doubt'?
<14> hello all!
<1> wasme > It's alright, Gt500's god doesn't prove things. Full stop. It's faith, y'see?
<14> really!
<16> hello
<14> hello too
<1> wasme > science = the art of repeatable results. True or false
<14> what is it?
<10> what does science give us then? a theory that seems to be right but might also be wrong!
<10> just asking?
<17> hello
<18> who speaks English here?
<2> science is about understanding... religion is about truth
<14> i am
<10> sice people treat the bible so critically i think it is only fair that we treat all sources critically? what you think?
<17> i thought science was truth
<14> hello alexzutsu
<18> hello
<1> gt500 you could be santa clause. If you were santa for 5 years, so I guess science is not the art of repeatale results
<17> religion is not truth
<10> thank you neelix i also thought science was truth!!!
<1> Gt500 - I think you should read some more books than just the one you do.
<19> what kind of english do you have all?!!!!
<1> I don't speak english, what are you talking about?
<17> engwish
<2> if you think that science is about finding the truth of things then you are what is called a 'scientific realist'
<19> you freak im not talkind to you!
<6> Yes, science gives us theories that may be wrong! That's why its so great! A belief system that admits it might be wrong ... and even more that puts its beliefs to real world tests!
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<20> HELOOOOOW
<17> if you think religion is truth, your .....
<1> Intanjir > What's wrong with the true nature of things?
<18> zi cristina c vrei?
<2> nothing.. its just that there is no reason to think that science is elucidating that
<1> smiles, okay, I might be projecting my hope onto it
<21> aku horny
<10> the point is my book has been around for thousands of years. Providing solutions for the problems that you struggle with a long time ago. Whitch was proven correct through not it's own witness but also the witness of other events and fact !!!!FACTS!!!! in history.It seems to me like it's the more truthfull book.
<18> CRISTINA99
<1> Not very scientific, but I'm not doing a study, this is just general
<18> CRISTINA99
<1> Your book is out of date
<18> !!!]
<18> c pula mea vrei?
<20> atag
<5> slm
<5> sen
<5> t r deyilmidsin
<17> even the history of moses was written 700 yrs after the event
<1> "Treating others as you would be treated yourself" is so yesterday ;)
<18> who`s speakin` turkish here?
<17> gobble gobble
<1> D4mn, bible... constantly making sense (new testement, not old)
<10> well it is very old! you yourself said that you aply some of it in your own life!
<1> I agree with the principles it lays out
<1> But I do not follow them like a map
<1> In conclusion, Gt500 - God's dead, no-one cares, and you and I now know a little bit more about phyics
<17> bible is more of an owners manual than anything else
<6> If the bible is a owners manual than a few tech writters need firing ...
<1> (God's dead/And no-one cares/If there is a hell/I'll see you there --- NiN lyrics)
<1> wasme > that walking on water thing.... fish + loaves of bread? Stockholder pleasing stuff...
<17> there is a higher power, alot of us know that, the bible has alot of good things to say, but alot of misinformation too.
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<1> Neelix > There MIGHT be a higher power.
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