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<0> So, if my conclusion is right, the lss spelldamage you have, more effective is SG.
<1> yollo :> - durden down
<2> :D
<3> :O)
<1> I just die if i res :(
<0> I guess the real conclusion here is, PI for PvP, SG for PvE.
<4> Hubuchu: well yeah in theory it works like that but is there really a competition since according to the talent you can buff anyone with PI :)
<5> I bet it doesnt stack with AP
<4> maybe but it extends the killing machine's duration
<2> here it is: Spirit of redemption > Power infusion
<2> if you say anything else in pvp, your a newb imo
<2> and im thinkinb about going to bed soon!
<6> yollo is a noob
<4> yollo: well we don't even know if it stacks with AP or not but yeah you also get silence with redemption so it's really nice
<7> yollo is a noob
<2> yollo is a noob
<7> your ruining it yollo!
<5> yollo - You are ***uming Spiritual guidance works like PI does
<8> I still want to see what those new healings in overall are gonna be...
<5> Smite Rank 8 Base - 371 to 415
<5> Smite Rank 8 w/PI - 445 to 498
<5> and %ages are not affected by casting times
<8> if you can't heal the damage people take, that spirit of redemption aren't gonna take you far
<4> the new greater heal might help it some, dunno
<5> Does Spiritual Guidance give you flat +healing.dmg or does it add to the abse spell amounts ?
<5> I cant see it adding to base spell amounts imo
<4> 2.5 sec and over 3k heal
<5> +100 across the baord with 400 spirit ?
<5> Kind of imba
<5> And does it work of base Spirit or buffed amounts ?
<2> Ill tell you whats imba, Spirit of redemption in pvp
<5> group pvp
<2> ofc...
<3> yoLLo!
<5> I wonder if you cna ressurect yourslef
<5> :D
<2> Cream : P ?
<4> Sin_Chase: well, is guidance gonna be imba in solo pvp? No, cause shadow is still the way to go
<3> Is there snow in skne?
<5> I cna see a Holy Nuker superceeding Shadow tbh
<5> At least as a holy nuker you can still heal inr aids preftly well as we can now in a pve build
<2> Cream, some snow indeed
<4> Sin_Chase: it's a bone throwed to the pve nerd who aren't allowed to spec shadow ;p
<9> LOL Moonigue... ffs... go practice on a target dummy or something...
<3> :o)
<5> Raiding with shdow spec short of having **** loads of high endgame epic gear doesnt pan out well
<2> [PE]Cream, imma hit the sack, wanna join=
<2> there is room for another ud-pk
<3> No im watching tv ^^
<8> just afraid that spirit of redemption will be first screwed hard, that when you turn into angel you have some uber ~5second lag
<5> Smite Rank 8 Fully Talented w/PI - 511 to 572
<5> :O
<5> betetr than the alst rank of FOrstbolt
<8> and gets 100% of spell bonuses into count?
<5> 2.5 sec abse cast time
<5> 2sec talented
<5> so not quite 100%
<4> we'll see, my bet is that I can laugh at anyone throwing smites at people :/
<5> its faster than frostbolt with a good crit %
<8> around 80 then I guess
<5> 35% crit chance with Inner Focus + whatever your abse is
<5> +gear
<5> 36 yard range too
<10> And if counterspelled, no heals
<10> = GG
<5> definately worth trying tbh
<5> and if your shadow spec and get CSed you can only heal
<5> which means shield or drop out of Shadowform
<4> and if you're paladin you can die if you get CSed
<8> if you get CS'd while heal = no heals = gg
<5> and we still retain mind blast :O
<5> PI, Holy Fire,Smite, Mind Blast
<5> Or something :O
<2> ROCCO
<2> Go to bed maddafakka
<8> what kinda damage % healing there is gonna be on new holy nova?
<8> damage & healing
<5> Dint think they were chaning the values
<5> increased mana cost and spammable
<5> like IAE
<5> aggro free heals and aoe damage, spammable
<5> kinda ***y
<8> 12 radius aoe sounds quite nice on paper with PI and paladin to try :o
<4> oh yeah, I'm waiting for them priests to try nova spam people to death
<5> it heals yourself for 300~ at the alst rank
<5> its not bad...
<5> 339 - 393 healing
<9> Norf... what the ****?!?!? a defensive warrior in wsg and then they can't even make him carry the flag
<5> 212-246 damage
<9> omg Dumb-inance
<2> [PE]Nightseer, to bed pls
<5> And it generates no hate
<2> I dont want to see you up this late again
<2> ok?
<4> Sin_Chase: what was the manacost again?
<5> Currently 460
<5> With no taletns
<11> kjaeldor sowwy, tried to stop the others :(
<4> :/ it's gonna get ****ed if they raise it alot
<5> its still a spammable AOE though
<5> I hate not having any form of AoE when doing trivial low level ****
<8> it could still work with along dot / renew :o
<5> Should amke the Priest Epic Staff qwuest a piece of cake too
<8> and PI
<12> 04:33 < arakki> and if you're paladin you can die if you get CSed
<12> invul. potion + HS!
<4> ;)
<5> Arcane Explosion is only a tiny bit better
<5> and a bit cheaper
<13> Sin_Chase like the priest benediction/anathema quest wasn't a piece of cake anyway
<14> woooo
<5> With the right pots, sure
<14> casters and hunters are getting nerfed
<14> yay
<5> I ahvent had a chance ot do it yet, DAMN THAT FKIN LEAF
<5> 5 times in a row now or so
<13> Sin_Chase only pots you want for it are oils of immolation.. and well, decent mana pool is nice, so major manas if you don't have
<5> yeh I have loads of Immo pots waiting
<12> Sin_Chase: Waiting for mine too :/
<13> LF alliance guild which has good luck on getting Betrayer's Boots from ZG :| haven't seen 'em drop once :<
<5> Holy Fire w/ Force of Will and PI - 266 to 309
<5> So a minimum of ~250 DPS with PI running for 15 seconds
<13> pff, mind flay alone = 300 dps ^^
<5> 300 mind flay ticks ?
<5> How much spell power and what trinkets ;)
<5> +700ish spell power yiedls 400 Mind Flay ticks
<13> that's without trinkets ;-)
<5> How much spell power ?
<13> as in, without zandalarian or toep
<13> +432 +shadow dmg / +dmg combined I think
<5> Mind flay is single target though :O
<5> and doesnt heal
<5> :D
<13> Throw in vampiric embrace and it does ;-)
<5> A little
<13> Just as much as it does dmg (if you have full group)
<8> I still think I'm gonna try 34 disc / 17 holy ... 10% extra chance to crit and 5% more damage sounds just too nice, 20% more damage when boosted, 25% more crit (one spell) when boosted..
<5> Holy Fire might make a decnet insatnt cast heal with enough +healing and PI running
<13> 20% of the shadow damage you do to everyone in your group
<5> YOungelf
<8> and holy crit items aren't that hard to overcome :o
<5> I have both of those on 31/20
<5> http://www.wowhead.com/talent/?bxMrsGVVofxt0bb
<8> that looks actually better, didn't have searing light and only 1 point in renew
<5> I have skipped points in Imp PWS and mental Agility
<5> but 55 on PWS is nothing
<5> 5%*
<5> And 6% less mana cost on instant casts eplls is.... well not game breaking
<13> Sin_Chase http://wow.allakhazam.com/profile.html?796178 there you go, it's a bit outdated, eye of the beast has been replaced by zandalarian hero charm and the robe with Flowing Ritual Robes
<13> And the hat too, it's Mish'undare now
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