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<0> Hi, would it be possible to get rid of as much as possible of the xorg.conf in future releases of X? xorg.conf is the worst part about linux...
<1> clearly you haven't looked at sendmail.conf
<2> xorg.conf is very easy
<2> and very logical
<0> and very unneded.
<0> These things should be autodetected in this day and age.. There are so many weird qirks with xorg.conf
<1> they are autodetected
<1> xorg.conf simply allows you to choose -how- they are used
<0> yeah i wish that was the case
<2> nut543: and most of them are autodetected now
<2> configuing and compiling a kernel for a new machine is a lot more difficult than running "X -configure" and then tweaking xorg.conf to your needs
<0> i simply asked if one day i won't have to write xorg.conf.
<2> you don't have to already
<0> right...
<2> X will do it for you
<0> not for me



<2> "X -configure"
<0> that renders me with an unbootable X
<2> likely, you need to slightly tweak that file to point it to the correct mouse and font locations
<0> maybe it should be extended to support propriatory ati and nvidia dualmnonitor setups
<2> I guess you haven't read the channel topic then
<0> or else i have to edit some arcane text file
<1> if you want dual monitor setup with nvidia use nvidia-xconfig
<2> the problems of which you speak are ati and nvidia support problems
<0> no, don't misunderstand me. I have a working setup. I only had to spend quite some time getting it perfectly right.
<2> bitching at the xorg folks that their product doesn't properly autoconfig your xorg.conf for a dual-head setup on proprietary drivers will get you nowher
<2> I understand perfectly...that you are complaining to the wrong people
<0> well it didn't properly setup my system when i had a one monitor non-propriatory setup either
<1> took me 5 minutes to configure xorg to use dual monitors (and that is with 2 graphics cards with one monitor on each, which is about as complex as dual monitor setups get)
<1> but then I have the capability to rad docs
<1> read
<2> nut543: but more than anything I suspect you didn't RTFM
<1> it is a skill you should try and learn
<2> heh
<0> i don't want to bitch. but if this arcane text file is needed it would be nice if X -configure could be updated to be a little more flexible aswell
<2> you still don't get it
<1> I love people like that
<2> heh
<3> hello
<3> I get this: Fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed'
<3> but I don't know how to add fixed font
<3> I've FontPath entries in xorg.conf
<3> can anyone help me pls ?
<4> gentoo?
<3> debian
<3> it was working, then I installed libwxgtk, its dependencies involved some xserver-xorg-something and now the vncserver isn't starting anymore
<4> hmmm
<4> you've got plenty of disk space?
<5> you get better luck asking in #debian
<3> 1,8G available
<3> no one is caring there
<3> is it somehow related to xfs ?
<4> are you using xfs?
<3> dunno, it's in init.d
<3> what should I have in xorg.conf to use xfs ?
<3> how can I see a list of available fonts ?
<5> fc-list xlsfonts
<3> I used to run xlsfonts but now X isn't running ..
<3> thx
<3> it had no output
<3> but sudo /etc/init.d/xfs start
<3> Setting up X font server socket directory /tmp/.font-unix...done.
<3> Starting X font server: xfs already running.
<5> fc-list has no output?
<3> fc-list has output
<3> fc-list xlsfonts has not
<5> which had no output?
<5> oh
<5> 2 seperate commands
<3> :-p
<3> xlsfonts would like a X server running
<3> suppa@bardeau:~$ xlsfonts
<3> xlsfonts: unable to open display ''
<5> what is the advantage of using xfs?
<3> I don't have the slightest idea
<3> qeed: how can I let the vnc server run ?
<3> fc-list | grep -i fix gives nothing, is this a clue ?



<3> should I have a font named "fixed" ?
<3> or is it an alias ?
<3> ok gotta
<3> ok gotta go
<5> im not sure, i just usually do a vncserver
<3> bye
<6> i installed xorg on my gentoo-system. i did that before on that very machine, and all worked good. but this time with xorg7 xorg -configure fails to recognize some hardware. when i run xorgcfg my screen turns black and i have to turn the computer off. any ideas for me ?
<7> timbo_ your computer is hard locked ? can you ssh in what that happen ?
<7> s/what/when
<6> hard locked ?
<7> timbo_ meaning your computer isn't responsive anymore
<8> anyone know of a way to track down once a day x serve crashes?
<8> X server for display :0 terminated unexpectantly
<8> and such
<8> anyone know if R7.1 or at lease 7.0 deals with secondary monitors correctly?
<9> donofrioatwork: surely not. correctly means totally bug free, and Xorg is not yet 100% bug free.
<8> I only mean will I be able to workaround this issue....http://www-personal.umich.edu/~donofrio/13jan2006/ (pictures are left to right) notice only the secondary screens are messed
<9> donofrioatwork: most likely you have specified the parameters of the second monitor wrong.
<9> donofrioatwork: that mess on the 2nd monitor is bad sync.
<8> humm...the xorg.conf file is posted...where did I mess up...it worked great on 6.8
<8> blew up when I needed 6.9 for kde 3.X
<9> donofrioatwork: you don't need 6.9 for KDE 3, unless your distro forces that.
<9> donofrioatwork: do you really have four monitors BTW?
<8> yep...4096x768 is great
<6> glisse it is responsive. by now i build a new config with xorgconfig(which means i can hardly forget any important settings). startx starts the server. then i have my black screen, but at least by now i can terminate the server with ctl + alt + del
<9> donofrioatwork: it is a bit odds that one card is reported as a FireGL 9000 and the other as a Radeon Mobility 9000.
<9> donofrioatwork: my impression is that your hw setup and configuration are a bit odd and not necessarily well tested.
<9> donofrioatwork: also note that two of the PCI IDs are not matched by any drivers. There are too many weird things in your config.
<10> hi all
<10> i'm using intel i810-1.6.0 drivers w/xorg 7.1.1 getting poor performance vs the latest windows intel binary drivers for the 855gm/gme chipset :(
<10> anyone noticed the same?
<10> using the latest mesa also
<8> Blis***: too many weird things....hummm I got this card a year ago on recommendations that this agp (pci bridge) would work great in xorg....two ati moble 7k's should keep working for years you'd think...
<9> donofrioatwork: but Mobile chips are not well supported and usually also work only in a laptop.
<9> donofrioatwork: also, check the PCI ID issue.
<8> its not an issue only primary needs pci id
<9> donofrioatwork: well, if you know better, good.
<8> no I'm just going by what I was told.....anyways...
<11> Ok, I'm having a heck of a time getting pkg-config to do what I thought it would be doing
<11> I type pkg-config xorg-server and it doesn't print anything at all. Shouldn't there be a value it returns or something?
<12> Do you have the xorg devel package installed?
<11> no. I didn't think I needed it.
<13> reilithion: if you need to compile x against y, you need y-devel installed
<11> I see. *shrugs* I wasn't compiling anything. It's just an install script. But since it uses a build tool, I guess it'd need the same resources as if I were compiling it, huh?
<12> Try: pkg-config --debug --libs xorg-server
<11> Will do.
<12> Oh, I see. The idea is you run pkg-config with a parameter, such as "--cflags".
<12> > pkg-config --cflags xorg-server
<12> -DXFree86Server -DIN_MODULE -DXFree86Module -DXFree86LOADER -I/usr/include/xorg
<14> Hello.
<14> Can anybody confirm that the free radeon drivers doesn't yet support, at least in the stable version, the ATI Mobility Radeon X1300 ?
<15> Correct
<11> simosx, yes. The install script wants to know where it ought to put things, so it asks pkg-config for the proper paths.
<11> simosx, for instance: XORG_DIR=`pkg-config --variable=prefix xorg-server`
<14> mjg59: was that for me ?
<15> Pupeno: Yes
<14> mjg59: thanks.
<16> is there something in xorg or xmodmap that alter the way buttons are executed after the 3rd mouse bind? Aparently anything after button event 3 they don't seem to be holding the event even if you hold the button down
<17> so on identical machines, I run this: Xvfb :20 -screen 0 1024x768x24
<17> on one machine it works fine. on the other I get: Fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed'
<17> anyone have any ideas?
<18> clearly they're not identical
<18> and the one where it fails has a broken default font path
<17> well they should be identical. they both get automatically installed by the same server.
<17> ok, so broken default font path you say? even if I'm running xfs? how would I go about fixing that?
<11> Ok, I'm still getting a signal 11 when I try to run Xorg
<11> There isn't a single EE line in the log
<17> running chkfontpath shows the same directories on both machines
<17> hmm, fslsfonts says fixed is unmatched on both machines
<17> xorg.conf is the exact same on both machines...
<17> hmm. the machine that isn't working doesn't have a /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/fonts.dir
<17> could that be my problem?
<11> I'd say probably
<11> See if there's a fonts package installed on one machine but not the other. You have a decent package manager I ***ume?


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