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<0> pebkac
<1> can anyone here name a good multi-user CMS other than joomla?
<2> multi-user cms?
<1> content management system
<1> like one with rights management, eg. authors, editors and publishers
<2> ah right
<2> doesn't movable type or wordpress allow that?
<3> does anyone use clickbank?
<3> I need basic help, i'm just about to sign up
<2> mac firefox is too advanced for the windows one :/
<4> Alystair, there's Plone, RailFrog, Farcry, Drupal
<2> drupal *shivers*
<4> There's more than enough CMS packages out there, and most of them are better than Joomla, then again I'm biased against that POS. ;)
<5> Zeros, don't forget typo3
<2> depends on what you have for platform
<5> well you should be using a *nix based server of course
<2> well, some people have shared hosting and no ror support
<5> its not in ruby or ror, typo3 is php with a mysql backend
<4> Provito, ah yeah
<5> www.typo3.org
<2> railfrog is ror
<2> afaik :P
<1> :\
<4> I was trying to mention one for each language I could think of Provito
<4> what's a perl CMS?
<1> so many to choose from :'(
<2> aye
<2> you could always write one of your own ;)
<1> ARGHHH
<1> no no no no, no time
<1> no resources
<5> mason isn't strictly a cms, more of a framework but that with Template Toolkit is a good option to start
<1> I need something that an idiot can use to edit pages
<5> Alystair, if you were to pick one cms and have good php skills typo3 is the best choice imo
<1> as well as make sure that different levels of idiots have different levels of access
<4> Provito, yeah I was thinking more along the lines of the in browser editor and such. Mason feels more frameworkish.
<5> typo3 has fine grained permissions and wywiwyg editors
<4> yep
<5> it has enterprise features which can be turned on and off for different users, or it can be customised using extensions
<4> Alystair, well first what languages can you support and in the event you need to write modules what languages are you comfortable developing in? Then what license are you looking for.
<5> http://www.la-grange.net/cms
<1> this is for a corp. website
<1> standard lamp
<5> typo3 is gpl it can be used for a corporate site
<4> Alystair, p being php?
<1> correct
<4> lamp is kind of ambiguous these days :/
<4> Alystair, look at typo3
<4> Alystair, Of the php cms packages I've heard the least bad things about it. :)
<5> Alystair, if you have any problems go to #typo3
<4> I hear people complaining about Joomla all the time, and sometimes Drupal, though less so.
<5> Zeros, its got a steeper learning curve than others but is fantastic once you understand it. I've been using it for a number of years
<5> gsmd.ac.uk is one of the sites I've developed with it
<4> Provito, nice.
<5> I've developed loads though
<1> ayeeee
<4> Provito, I don't do much php development anymore, but I remember working with others to fix some joomla apps, and wow, that was painful.
<1> this is nuts
<4> I also remember back when it was called Mambo ;)
<1> Plone looks pretty good
<6> aaargh!
<5> yep I've tried and worked with Mambo, not any more though. Its fine for small or medium sites but I always need more power
<5> Alystair, a site I developed in plone is www.rbrlondon.com
<5> that took a LOT of work though, so much easier to do in php. And you need strong python skills
<1> :X
<4> I'm not sure php is easier...
<1> so it isn't just creating a template?
<5> I built a client area in plone took a lot longer than I would have expected
<5> Alystair, no
<1> damn it
<4> I'm not that familiar with plone though, Provito would know a lot more about it than I would.
<5> Alystair, using typo3 I can get a site up and running in one day or less
<1> I already blew $25 on a crap template for joomla and I'm already pissy about it
<1> http://dev.canadgroup.com
<7> HA HA !
<5> but I have been using it for a number of years, I expect it would take a beginner a month
<1> already wasted my time to edit graphics etc
<2> heh
<2> you want a quick fix, dont you
<1> :'(
<7> pay someone to do it
<2> mind you, quick and free fix ;)
<5> Alystair, the quick fix is to pay someone
<7> totally straight forward, no h***le
<7> :P
<1> how much are we looking at here
<1> when paying :'(
<5> write a specification first then get some quotes
<1> oh god damn it
<1> no more specs
<5> well you can't quote without it, a professional developer will not touch it without a spec
<1> it's damn simple TBH
<1> www.canadgroup.com, take the content and put it into a pretty new layout with multi-luser CMS capabilities
<1> that's it.
<5> what about the pdf files, is that a static link or dynamic ?
<1> hm?
<5> also popup boxes are not accessible
<5> http://dev.canadgroup.com/content/blogcategory/1/29/
<2> Alystair: are you a web developer?
<1> Promethues^^: sorta :>
<7> please say no
<2> by profession?
<1> not a coder
<1> no
<2> right
<7> piuh
<2> don't say it's damn simple ;)
<1> I do graphics/html/css :[
<2> static sites are damn simple, yes
<2> (well, they can get quite tricky too, heh)
<2> but :)
<1> irzyxel: why.
<7> nm
<1> something wrong? :P
<5> Alystair, a simple site with simple navigation and pages with CMS would take 1 day to implement in a c
<5> ms such as typo3
<5> custom features and extensions will take longer and thats why you need a spec
<7> no, i just have more than enough competitors like you on my local market ;)
<5> I'm not bidding for work btw, I'm far too busy :)
<7> crap work, but cheap, customers have no clue so they buy it ;)
<4> Promethues^^, Simple being relative, once you ward off IE's back magic, make everything accessible, fix rendering oddities in all the random browsers...
<5> irzyxel, your not saying I do crap work are you?
<2> Zeros: of course :)
<7> Alystair ...
<5> irzyxel, ok
<1> eh?
<7> :P
<4> Alystair, Who will be maintaining this site and what all does it need to do?
<4> Its very hard to decide on any type of package is you don't have a plan for who what and when :)
<1> zeroes: people who don't have a clue about anything will be maintaining it :P
<1> they know how to use Word
<1> which is why joomla was terrible, without extensive modification it's even a pain for them to inseert an image on a page
<1> *insert
<2> sounds like a pita
<1> oh yeah
<2> I'm glad to be running midgard
<2> cms made easy ^^
<8> midgard?
<1> I basically constructed the damn office from the ground up
<1> without me they had chairs and tables, that's about it :(
<2> reisio: www.midgard-project.org
<8> Promethues^^: what is it?
<2> it's a framework, on top of which there's a cms, midcom
<9> bit long shoot but any tutorial and/or source example for sites that uses div's to seperate pages (instead of actual seperate html files) and also perhaps like 'center' the entire site with borders into like well you know large box with a bit of empty space all around it
<9> [me thought it might be easier than trying look at someone's site source and trying figure out the mess]
<8> "Midgard CMS: Midgard Project: Midgard"
<8> wtfever that means
<2> it means someone ****ed up with the title ;)
<1> this is rediculous
<1> does every CMS use the same WYSIWYG editor or something?
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