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<0> how so?
<1> yeah, how so?
<0> you're back
<2> They either (a) design their whole website from flash.. (b) use it for navigation (c) use it for contact/login forums
<2> foms*
<3> flash is an excellent tool if you use it right :)
<0> A and C are valid
<3> its abuse is a different matter :/
<0> reisio, still having trouble
<2> flash for navigation is just plain stupid.
<2> Especially for those who have flash disabled.
<2> I remember coming in here with a website I had.. the nav was flash.. and I got eaten alive
<1> alas, Flash being proprietary makes it a waste of time :/
<0> i disagree, what about a cartoon website?
<2> what about it?
<0> like homestarrunner



<2> Why is it so important to have little beep sounds when you roll over a button?
<1> DeFender1031: homestarrunner cartoons are made in Flash
<0> nav with flash makes sense there
<0> i know
<1> only because the site would be empty without Flash
<0> my point exaclty reisio
<1> I'm just saying, it doesn't make sense to use Flash for nav there
<1> but it does no more harm
<3> reisio, not really, there's an open source compiler for flash too MTASC (only does AS2.0)
<2> okay well I still havent figured out this charwidth thing yet
<1> Zeros: the spec is proprietary
<3> ah I suppose
<3> no more than mp3 or jpg though
<4> Yes moreso.
<4> Purely because it's a moving target.
<0> wtvr...i'm trying to make a flash file that just plays a sound
<3> hardly, there's a royalties charge on mp3
<3> flash is free
<4> Ignoring jpeg2000 which is another kettle of fish your analogys are stationary targets.
<4> You're not allowed to make a competing player/'compiler' using the Flash spec.
<1> and I'm not pimping for mp3 or JPEG, either :p
<3> false putz
<4> You've got to clean-room it.
<1> Flash is worse, though, because it doesn't take a brain to use it
<3> MTASC is a competing compiler
<1> it's silly to try and compete, however
<1> since Adobe makes the spec and the main player/generator
<4> That simply proves they've clean-roomed it.
<5> ok, you guys are going to hate me, but trust me its for a good cause
<1> they will always be a step ahead
<3> clean-roomed?
<4> As in reverse engineered without use of the spec.
<1> putz: the Flash format is public knowledge
<5> i want to embed about 15 songs in my myspace profile, so i can kill any tard who goes to it
<1> sketchyd: myspace has its own Flash playlist player thing
<4> reisio, then show me the full flash 8 specification :)
<1> putz: no idea where it is
<5> right, it seems to only allow one song
<5> that won't do at all
<0> i agree with the putz
<1> I don't waste my time on proprietary formats
<5> i need a lot
<1> sketchyd: it allows more, I've seen it
<3> I give up, but anyway the actionscript 3.0 compiler is free, as is the entire cl*** library, and the Flex cl*** library is open source
<1> :)
<3> Flash isn't that bad, _if_ you use it right :)
<5> any idea where i could find that? i cant take too many more poorly designed websites offering to customize my profile
<6> check out my myspace portal. It isn't finished
<6> But I'd take some criticism
<0> too much music
<6> www.myspace.com/tharedzone
<6> I need some help removing the blog blurbs, about me section
<5> guys, im sorry
<5> i never shouldve mentioned the great satan in here
<5> lolz!! my bad!1!
<3> oh you heathen
<6> myspace is the devil?
<5> yes, definitely the devil
<7> hey folks, could anyone recommend a domain name registar or two?
<5> 1and1



<8> yeah
<8> $7 domains with 1and1
<8> at least they were
<1> tucows
<7> cool thx
<7> tucows really?
<1> my bro's used it for so many domains
<1> dude collects the bastards
<1> they're all weird domains, though
<9> hey gang
<1> heya
<6> Imma godaddy.com man myself
<6> 1and1 is cool because of the cheap hosting
<10> What exactly is the difference between <!-- foo --> and <![IGNORE[ foo ]]> ?
<11> hello
<11> how do I center the logo in http://universal.mine.nu/ (when the font size is made bigger)
<11> i've tried vertical-align: middle; on everything
<1> `center @ ivan`
<11> do I need margin: auto;?
<11> didn't get the msg
<1> margin: 0 auto; for block stuff
<11> thanks
<1> well, it doesn't work here because miniE is inferior to RTFS
<12> night all
<1> peace-o
<5> woo hoo, step 1 of my atrociatizing of myspace has begun
<5> i now have the first 6 songs of the new tool cd, playing at the same time
<5> which is still fairly good sounding, considering
<1> heh
<5> im working on my atrocity playlist
<11> Tool is so bad you can play 3-6 of their songs at once and it sounds like everything else they churn out
<5> im not going to engage that troll
<5> but my real playlist will include kelly clarkson, james blunt, avril lavigne, lamb of god, nickelback, eric prydz, and others that dont play well together
<13> hmm.. i wonder is it possible to make a 'form' button appear like a <a> link
<11> only if you want to use a javascript submit, I think
<1> nah
<1> you can use CSS to mimic it
<1> kill the borders, add an underline
<11> can I get a background image positioned from the *right* side of the div?
<11> i got it actually
<1> `css background-position
<14> Found for CSS 2 - background-position - http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/colors.html#propdef-background-position
<11> i'm trying to hide an image with CSS
<11> img.logo { visibility: hidden; height: 0; width: 0; overflow: hidden; line-height: 0; padding: 0; margin: 0; background: red; clear: none; render: in-line; }
<11> and IE6 still has some 2-3px spacer
<11> heh, even if I absolute it somewhere else
<1> heheh
<1> `css render
<14> Nothing found for CSS 2 - render
<1> ivan`: display: block;?
<11> block what?
<11> the image?
<1> ya
<11> that screws up my layout pretty bad
<1> badLY*
<11> i feel badly :)
<1> how can it screw up your layout if it's one item
<1> :p
<1> how about vertical-align: bottom; ?
<11> what in the ****ing hell is IE6 doing
<11> i am just about IEed out for today
<1> heh
<11> i don't want to use the png transparency hack because it slows down the page load time
<11> so I want to load a gif for IE and a png for everyone else
<1> ewww
<15> Yuck.
<11> what
<15> I find it nasty when other people say "Ewww" (with or without the capital E).
<15> Hence, I am propelled to say "Yuck."
<11> <script type="text/javascript">
<11> document[logo].src="logo.gif";
<11> </script>
<11> that doesn't work either


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