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<0> do I want a website to control my screen? :p no
<1> reisio, :P
<1> the route we're going though, I mean if you can style buttons, and select boxes and all the rest of the form widgets...
<0> the point is you guys haven't thought this through, some evangelist just put it up in their blog and you are followers
<2> Mouse wheel and keyboard shortcuts!
<1> why not scrollbars in the page?
<0> exactly
<1> reisio, I have no idea what blog you're talking about :P
<3> reisio: again, you coudln't be farther from the truth
<1> I was just commenting
<0> if you're going to let people style part of a page, you may as well allow it all
<0> Zeros: bewest knows
<1> mm ok
<2> I guess it comes down to... me being used to certain parts not changing.
<0> some Zeldman or similar idiot blogged about how scrollbars shouldn't be stylable and now he believes it, too
<3> ah the impetuosity of youth
<0> heh
<0> riczho: but you don't shiver at dark gray chromish websites?
<0> ones with normal scrollbars?
<2> Yeah, I do.
<0> see
<0> normal scrollbars aren't going to save anything
<3> anyway, fwiw I didn't read anything about the concepts of affordance or monotony on a website
<2> Especially curvy ones.
<0> bewest: I'd believe, except I don't :p
<0> who was it that said when I lie gets big enough the only option is to believe it's the truth
<1> it would actually probably simplify the rendering process for websites too, since native widgets don't need to me mixed with the rendered document
<0> hah, I think it was a TV show, nm :p
<0> all you'd have to do is treat a scrollbar like 4-5 divs
<4> Another thing, I can't seem to use height: 100%; nor does not setting any height work
<5> `label
<6> hey is their a way to reset innerHTML. THat is after we have changed it with Javascript, can I call something to get what was originally there when the page loaded
<4> The google maps div, that is.
<2> plundra: Make sure that all the parents have height: 100%;
<4> riczho: Mkay
<3> jfarrell: once its gone its gone
<6> *sigh*
<1> jfarrell, you'd have to save it to variable
<1> its just a string
<6> hrmm good idea
<4> riczho: Didn't help (body is the parent and I changed it's width to 100%)
<1> html is the parent of body :P
<2> plundra: html.
<4> Perhaps using a outer most div with 100% height and width?
<7> plundra: body has a parent too
<2> Wow, #web has been so interesting today-- more so than usual, I think.
<4> Uhm, setting a size of the <html> block? :) Sounds weird (and didn't help)
<2> plundra: Then can I see a URL?
<2> (Although I may have to go soon)
<4> Sure, http://rory.bsnet.se/loc/test.php
<4> Just fiddeling around trying to get a basic layout :)
<2> plundra: * {height: 100%;} works for me.
<4> riczho: On what element?
<5> should you really use tables to align form elements?
<0> car tracker? :/
<4> reisio: Yeah, kind of? :)
<1> I found the most bizzare bug in Safari the other day, and it seems to plague Gecko too. You can actually create a popup and then add content using using document.write() and m***ive strings of html and safari won't show the source nor will it let you save the document. Gecko won't let you save it, chokes and saves the parent document, does show the source in the source view though
<1> I should check Opera, it would awesome if I found a bug that existed in all major browsers :P
<0> neat :p
<3> Zeros: did you try the "view generated source" bookmarklet?
<1> in Firefox?
<3> yeah sure
<3> what happens if you try it in safari?
<1> I can see the source in the source view in FF, Safari shows nothing
<3> when you do "view source?"
<1> yes
<7> Zeros: but it's not actually in the source - it's generated
<3> that's different from viewing generated source
<1> and safari refuses to save the document too, since all the content is generated from JS, right up to the root element
<3> try alert(document.body.innerHTML)
<1> GarethAdams, Gecko doesn't seem to think so
<3> Zeros: I am often unable to view things in gecko using "view source"
<3> which is why I have "view generated source"
<1> document.open(); document.write($reallyLongDocumentHTMLString); document.close();
<1> Gecko shows the source
<3> I know
<1> hmm
<3> I'm saying to try getting generated source in safari
<3> "view generated source" as opposed to "view source"
<1> I guess Safari was trying to save a zero byte file with the source and thats why it refused
<1> doesn't explain why Gecko will show the source, but save the parent documents source even if the popup is selected :/
<1> bewest, they used something in the strings too
<1> a non-ascii character, looks like its probably way off the unicode bounds too
<3> can you try something analogous to alert(document.body.innerHTML) in sfari?
<3> ah
<3> interesting
<1> searched for it and replaced it with < and another character with > before doing the document.write()
<3> secuity through obscurity?
<3> I've heard of people doing encoding/decoding using javascript to enable transferring obscurred source code
<1> bewest, more like lazy, instead of using CDATA they didn't put the < and > in the string, instead used something else
<1> at least thats how it appears
<1> bewest, looks like they used \036\x35
<1> um \035
<1> what are those?
<3> somekind of encoding
<1> yeah, my text editor doesn't like it either
<0> 6
<1> you were right bewest, javascript:alert(document.getElementsByTagName('body').item(0).innerHTML); gives me the source
<3> nifty
<1> good idea bewest, thanks :)
<8> I saw this cool ajax comment form where it would automatically show you a preview of your comment, does anyone know where i can find it?
<9> Any independent web developers in here?
<9> I want to start my own web developing business, but I do not want to host the sites.
<0> larrywells: most don't host the sites :p
<0> you can make a lot more money if you do that, though
<0> ***uming you know what you're doing
<0> but, then, you could just host the sites and not do the web dev and make a lot more money, too :p
<0> ***uming you know what you're doing :p
<9> I just do not have the resources to be supply hosting services
<0> larrywells: well most web devs don't do that
<9> Is there an especially good hosting service for web developers?
<9> I am currently using Lunar Pages
<0> lunar pages
<0> that rings sort of a vague bad bell :p
<9> www.lunarpages.com
<9> really?
<0> iirc
<9> How about godaddy as a web hosting service
<0> I've heard bad things
<9> I was thinking there was a hosting service out there that might be geared to developers
<7> as opposed to...?
<0> eh, I kind of doubt it, but you might find one
<0> larrywells: http://serveit.org/ is run by a web dev guy
<9> I will check that out
<9> Don't want a flakey company or one that does not offer all I need to get a site running
<10> larrywells: i use hostforweb.com they are pretty good
<9> thanks
<10> they also provide ssh access ... which makes life a lot easier
<9> I will check them out
<9> oh yes, I would love that
<10> they are pretty cheap too ... and have about 45 servers based on dns records
<9> how can I check that out for my current hosting company?
<0> netcraft ?
<10> larrywells: add a new client ... then see what nsX.host.com dns servers you get given
<0> hrmmm
<10> usually you get the server you are on and the one before it as the dns
<10> with a lot of hosts
<10> netcraft might work too
<11> skwash, how much do you pay for each additional server?
<12> so who wants $ to code a UL real quick
<13> TFGN|CHIEF: what is a UL?
<12> and unordered list
<0> <ul><li></li></ul>
<13> TFGN|CHIEF: why in the world would you pay for a UL?
<0> I accept credit
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