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<gxti> woo, 5pm
<reisio> ...
<reisio> 7777777zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
<defbyte> hi
<riczho> Hi1
<riczho> s/1/!/
<defbyte> does someone know a site where i can see what javascript features the mac IE has (and maybe the one for windows) ?
<defbyte> so i can be shure my code runs there
<defbyte> search goole: "javascript change css style"
<defbyte> wrong channel ... sry
<nphase> "toFixed is not a function"
<nphase> what is this
<bewest> defbyte: www.quirksmode.org/ has nice charts of which browser supports which features; so does www.webdevout.com
<bewest> defbyte: btw, mac IE is dead anyway
<defbyte> thank you!
<defbyte> are there also tables for safari ?
<albo> using one ssl cert, can i run more than 1 domain off the same server
<Jax> hi, you guys know of a good system for multi lingual input? i.e a good way to structure the form elements
<Nanobot> When you call a company and they put you on hold, they should play Dream Theater - Endless Sacrifice.
<reisio> Nanobot: genre?
<ciaron> whats the "standard" width for a 800x600 fixed layout?
<majd> ciaron, people stopped doing 800X600 layouts
<majd> i personally use 750
<majd> or 725
<majd> there's a peekaboo bug that no one is willing to help me with
<reisio> majd: I'm not a one
<mandric> how do i check if a dom element exists, like if (exists(document.getElementById('test')) ... ?
<majd> alert(document.getElementById('dddd'))
<majd> if it doesn't exist, it'll give you something like 'undefined' or w/e
<mandric> majd: i'm trying to avoid errors if that element doesn't exists
<majd> ah
<majd> ummmm
<JibberJim> mandric
<mandric> because i'm doing <body onmousemove="function"
<majd> i'm not sure
<JibberJim> the if statement is just what you want, without the exists( )
<majd> i think it has something to do with typeof
<mandric> JibberJim: ok
<majd> oh yeah
<JibberJim> no need for any function at all
<mandric> JibberJim: i figured that ... will try again
<ktabet_> how to make a scroller for layers in dhtml?
<reisio> ktabet_: layers?
<ktabet_> yes
<reisio> what's a layer?
<hax> rofl
<hax> its a tag from like 1999
<hax> when netscape was like "ooh! new feature! <layer>!"
<reisio> I know what a layer is
<reisio> I was wondering if ktabet_ knew
<hax> then why'd you ask?
<hax> oh
<hax> then you should have asked 'do you know what a layer is?' ;)
<hax> reisio: note, i think it's also what dreamweaver calls a div
<ktabet_> no
<GarethAdams> lol
<riczho> `layers
<reisio> I'm trying to imagine something you know that I don't know, but I just can't
<riczho> Darn. I keep forgetting what channel I'm in.
<GarethAdams> hax: good job dreamweaver got there before the rest of the HTML world
<hax> GarethAdams: heh
<ktabet_> what I want is a custom scroll bar for a div
<hax> reisio: should you take this or should i? ;)
<reisio> ktabet_: oooh :)
<reisio> ktabet_: http://webfx.eae.net/dhtml/slider/slider.html
<reisio> and you can see kind of a crappy one in action at http://ozones.com/
<hax> lol
<hax> gj reisio :P
<reisio> ?
<bewest> gah
<hax> lol
<ktabet_> I want the scrollbar to have a custom look, different from the usual
<bewest> might as well give them a steering wheel instead of a mouse
<reisio> ...what, am I speaking Greek?
<bewest> if you can cross post so can I
<hax> reisio: nevermind
<bewest> while you're at it, start showing them videos instead of web pages
<hax> ktabet_: maybe just take their information and mail them a brochure
<hax> paper's a better medium anyway
<reisio> bewest: are you talking to anyone in particular? :p
<hax> send a dvd with it too
<bewest> reisio: yes; I was addressing ktabet_
<bewest> and "them" is users
<reisio> k...
<reisio> personally I think scrollbars should be stylable
<reisio> (easily, via standard CSS)
<bewest> I'm glad they aren't!
<bewest> much better usability affordance by having them as monotonous as possible
<reisio> that's bull**** propaganda you read off someone's website
<bewest> monotonous meaning always the same, not boring
<reisio> grow an opinion of your own
<bewest> certainly not
<bewest> heh
<bewest> that's hilarious
<reisio> or are we being sarcastic?
<bewest> you mean the royal "we"?
<bewest> by which you mean you?
<bewest> I'm perfectly serious
<reisio> you've never wanted to style a scrollbar?
<bewest> not after I wised up
<reisio> after, okay :p
<ktabet_> http://www.ghtml.com/showoff/scrollbar/index.html
<ktabet_> thats what I want
<reisio> after you read someone's website :p
<bewest> no
<reisio> someone you think is a gebus or something :p
<bewest> after reading lots of books on usability having nothing to do with websites or scrollbars
<plundra> How do I get two divs next to each other? One is a fixed width one and the other one is suppose to be "the rest", a google maps-thingy.
<reisio> my *** :p
<hax> and after making lots of mistakes, i agree with bewest
<reisio> if you really believed that, you wouldn't bother with CSS at all
<reisio> you'd just use black text on white background
<reisio> ****ing sheep
<plundra> I tried makeing them both inline, but that screwd up the googlemaps-div totally :-/
<riczho> plundra: float the first one left, then margin-left the second one with the width of the first.
<bewest> reisio: that doesn't make any sense at all
<reisio> bewest: it makes perfect sense
<reisio> you can make a website thoroughly unusable by styling things other than scrollbars
<plundra> riczho: Ah, smart :-) Thanks.
<bewest> ok
<reisio> not to mention it will be different even if it is usable
<reisio> different from other websites
<reisio> but you want the scrollbars to be the same on all websites?
<reisio> that's idiotic
<reisio> it's beside the point, also
<bewest> doesn't even make any logical sense
<Zeros> well the window scrollbars are a chrome widget that shouldn't be any more stylable than the location toolbar
<reisio> scrollbars should be easily stylable for the simple reason that people like ktabet_ will do it regardless if the W3C wants you to
<reisio> Zeros: and what about scrollbars inside the page?
<Zeros> I was about to say that :P
<reisio> :)
<riczho> Hmm.. I like the way my scrollbars look enough-- don't want websites to control them, really.
<reisio> riczho: that's what user CSS is for
<Zeros> I can see a benefit to styling those, especially since you can't color...
<reisio> or prefs, in normal browsers
<Zeros> control*
<riczho> Taking it to the other extreme, why not let single websites control the entire screen, then?
<Zeros> what happens when you have a grey website and the person is using a grey theme in the OS
<Zeros> same issue with text color and background color
<plundra> riczho: Hmm, setting a margin-left resulted in it being the same width, only a bit further out of the screen.
<riczho> Or the entire browser screen, at least.
<plundra> (100% as width)
<reisio> riczho: I'm sure there are people that wouldn't mind that
<riczho> plundra: Well, why did you set that?
<reisio> (if only their ****ing scrollbars weren't styled)
<riczho> reisio: Does that include you?
<plundra> riczho: I was using it to begin with? (I tried without now and I see that it's totally useless :P)
<reisio> do I want a website to control my screen? :p no
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